The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[blerkington]

Hi,

I'm levelling the paladin version at the moment, on a fifth life toon with no relevant past lives.

It was for the sake of trying something different from what I usually play, and the juggernaut has been fun and effective so far.

On an elite streak, as a test for the build, it's been fine both solo and in group. It seems likely that it will get a lot stronger in the mid levels too.

Thanks.

[dunmoore]

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Ya,, Dont know why it did that.

[EllisDee37]

Ya,, Dont know why it did that.

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[Forzah]

I'd go ahead and give up on the Abishai set. Trying to keep it will hold you back gear-wise.

Personally, I'm thinking of something like this for my /2 pally version:
Head: EE Black Dragon Helm (Green, Yellow)
Neckalce: Min2 HP Item
Trinket: Planar Focus of Porwess w/ +8 Con
Goggles: EE Intricate Field Optics w/ +8 Cha (Green, Yellow)
Armor: T3 Epic Black Scale (Blue)
Cloak: Adamantine Cloak of the Bear
Belt: EH or EE Girdle of Giant's Brawn (at least Green, Colorless - the higher slot from the EE version of this item is not important to me, as this is where I'm planning to slot the Globe)
Bracers: EE Bracers of Twisting Shade
Gloves: EE Nether Grasps
Boots: EE Treads of falling Shadow
Ring 1: T3 Ring of Master Artifice (Green, Colorless)
Ring 2: Seal of House Avithoul (stat irrelevant)
Ring 2 Swap: Seal of House Dun'Robar (+10 stunning, stat otherwise irrelevant)

I know a few people are trying to get the Epic Blademark's Docent to get a good trip DC, but I'd have to see how high I could get before I try farming it. In addition, if I was going for the /2 ranger version, I'd rather have the EE Dream Visor than the EE Intricate Field Optics.

Tbh, I think both item sets achieve about the same thing; only relevant things I'm missing compared to your set is PRR from adamantine cloak, exceptional seeker +5 and possibly stunning +10. I'm no fan of the black armor - it's terribly expensive for what it does; I find red a lot more convenient. Superior parrying makes up for not having +8 cha/dex and with the dream visor ill probably end up doing similar damage.

[WruntJunior]

Tbh, I think both item sets achieve about the same thing; only relevant things I'm missing compared to your set is PRR from adamantine cloak, exceptional seeker +5 and possibly stunning +10. I'm no fan of the black armor - it's terribly expensive for what it does; I find red a lot more convenient. Superior parrying makes up for not having +8 cha/dex and with the dream visor ill probably end up doing similar damage.

I've heard superior parrying won't stack come u17, that's a rumor worth checking out if it's planned for your gear set-up.

Also, I'm still a bit sore about red scale, so I'm not using it. Only expensive part of black scale will be CoH, though...and I'm only worrying about tier 3 after my cleaver/pinion are tier 4. Interestingly enough, my AA and Sorc will have too many slots...this character will have about 2 fewer than I'd like.

[knockcocker]

I've heard superior parrying won't stack come u17, that's a rumor worth checking out if it's planned for your gear set-up.

Stack with what? it's an insight bonus so should stack with resistance, morale etc.

[WruntJunior]

Stack with what? it's an insight bonus so should stack with resistance, morale etc.

In that case, I'm just going crazy, but I'd check it out anyways.

After a bit of looking, I may have been thinking of superior stability, which wouldn't have worked anyways. Either that, or I'm going crazy.

[knockcocker]

In that case, I'm just going crazy, but I'd check it out anyways.

After a bit of looking, I may have been thinking of superior stability, which wouldn't have worked anyways. Either that, or I'm going crazy.

That sounds more likely (the stability part, not the crazy part )

[Dasthug]

I really like the look of this build and it's something I'd like to eventually TR my first life Barb to, but I'm not quite there yet. Still quite lacking in the gear department and I'd like to get 1-2 past lives done before tackling something like this.

Still, I really like the idea and I'm looking forward to trying it, assuming it hasn't been nerfed by the time I get around to it.

[dunmoore]

There now please review it.

It has no enchancements, items, buffs, its just the raw build.

BreVak
Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 16 Artificer)
Hit Points: 274
Spell Points: 775
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 14

Starting Ending
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 17 23
Dexterity 14 17
Constitution 16 21
Intelligence 14 17
Wisdom 6 8
Charisma 11 13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11

Starting Ending
Base Skills Base Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 4
Bluff 0 1
Concentration 7 11
Diplomacy 0 1
Disable Device 6 25
Haggle 0 1
Heal -2 -1
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 2 22.5
Jump 3 6
Listen -2 -1
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock 6 25
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 3
Search 6 25
Spot -2 -1
Swim 3 6
Tumble n/a 4
Use Magic Device 4 23

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Traits


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 6 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Craft Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Rune Arm Use


Level 7 (Artificer)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking


Level 9 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence


Level 10 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 11 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Skill Mastery


Level 18 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons

[Hobgoblin]

my eyes my eyes!

very hard to read. cannot commet because i didnt read.

fix and we will see.

hob

[Hobgoblin]

lots of stuff

i think you are trying to do too much.

i dont think you need the ic:ranged

and why are you putting level ups in con?


doesnt make sense ot me


hob

[Blank_Zero]

I'd go ahead and give up on the Abishai set. Trying to keep it will hold you back gear-wise.

Personally, I'm thinking of something like this for my /2 pally version:
Head: EE Black Dragon Helm (Green, Yellow)
Neckalce: Min2 HP Item
Trinket: Planar Focus of Porwess w/ +8 Con
Goggles: EE Intricate Field Optics w/ +8 Cha (Green, Yellow)
Armor: T3 Epic Black Scale (Blue)
Cloak: Adamantine Cloak of the Bear
Belt: EH or EE Girdle of Giant's Brawn (at least Green, Colorless - the higher slot from the EE version of this item is not important to me, as this is where I'm planning to slot the Globe)
Bracers: EE Bracers of Twisting Shade
Gloves: EE Nether Grasps
Boots: EE Treads of falling Shadow
Ring 1: T3 Ring of Master Artifice (Green, Colorless)
Ring 2: Seal of House Avithoul (stat irrelevant)
Ring 2 Swap: Seal of House Dun'Robar (+10 stunning, stat otherwise irrelevant)

I know a few people are trying to get the Epic Blademark's Docent to get a good trip DC, but I'd have to see how high I could get before I try farming it. In addition, if I was going for the /2 ranger version, I'd rather have the EE Dream Visor than the EE Intricate Field Optics.

Planned weapons are mainly T4 Cleaver and T4 Pinion, both slotted with good.

Postumus: Class has no direct affect on PRR (though PrEs can have an affect).

Not a bad gearset. Keep us posted post U17 and see what you find works best in Live? I'd hate to start the farming and not know what to aim for.

Edit: Why is everyone clamoring for a Cleaver now and not an eSoS? Did I miss something while I was gone?

[Blank_Zero]

There now please review it.

It has no enchancements, items, buffs, its just the raw build.

BreVak
Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 16 Artificer)

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[EllisDee37]

I'm going to suggest you put "[code.]" and "[/code.]" around the entire build so it doesn't stretch the thread, but remove the "."'s. Thanks.

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[WruntJunior]

Not a bad gearset. Keep us posted post U17 and see what you find works best in Live? I'd hate to start the farming and not know what to aim for.

Edit: Why is everyone clamoring for a Cleaver now and not an eSoS? Did I miss something while I was gone?

The set bonus, along with being a solid contender weapon-wise...the PRR sways me pretty heavily.

Also easier for a lot of people (like Haek, the OP) to get a Cleaver + 25 CoH than the SoS ingredients.

[Blank_Zero]

The set bonus, along with being a solid contender weapon-wise...the PRR sways me pretty heavily.

Also easier for a lot of people (like Haek, the OP) to get a Cleaver + 25 CoH than the SoS ingredients.

I hadn't even thought about the Set Bonus. God I am out of it aren't I?

I asked mainly because I'm a Shard away from my esos myself, but if Cleaver can contend better, then I'm going for it on my Ranger Jug.

What are the benefits of Cleaver vs. Syreth though? Other than higher base damage?

[Machination]

I hadn't even thought about the Set Bonus. God I am out of it aren't I?

I asked mainly because I'm a Shard away from my esos myself, but if Cleaver can contend better, then I'm going for it on my Ranger Jug.

What are the benefits of Cleaver vs. Syreth though? Other than higher base damage?

I am a shard away on TWO toons. Been that way for years. I gave up even thinking I will get an SOS. One has Cleaver already, getting one for the other toon is trivial. Getting the commendations is grind. Probably a lot less grind than ever getting an SOS shard. So that explains a lot right there.

[Machination]

Funny you say that....I was thinking that I want to swap out Zen Archery and could go ITWF. Then I was thinking easy enough to go ahead and drop Precision for GTWF. That means I could use add wraps and of course Celestia to the arsenal. I think adding the TWF feats would really make sense if one could get schimi or rapiers with Obscenity on them

Inventory is already an issue for me on this build, staves, bows, xbows, scrolls, components, wands, pots, arrows & bolts (extra quiver in inventory), sheesh.....I'm always having to dump inventory between quests!!! TWF would just make it worst

Adamantine Body will block Evasion from working and besides some PRR gain will shut off the dodge bonuses.

There is a 2wf version of the build but some secrets i want to keep until its finished

[Viisari]

I asked mainly because I'm a Shard away from my esos myself, but if Cleaver can contend better, then I'm going for it on my Ranger Jug.

Being a shard away from eSoS doesn't mean you're getting it any time soon even if you're actively trying to get it.