Devs - once the Ocean Stance bug is fixed . . .

[Ape_Man]

Will you remove that silly cap on dodge?

I'm going to assume it was an ad-hoc mechanism thrown in there while you had time to fix the ocean stance bug. Am I wrong?

[Vargouille]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

Something really needs to be done for unarmored monk-splashed builds. It's not very fair that they should have to devote most of their gear slots, feats, and destiny/twists just to get half the damage avoidance of a generic fighter with a nice set of fullplate and shield, and little if any damage mitigation.

[sebastianosmith]

We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

[sephiroth1084]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

I have to ask, "Why?"

It's fairly difficult to get to the cap as it is, and getting beyond the cap requires a fairly significant devotion via feats, enhancements, class and destiny choices, and items, which makes it difficult to also achieve a high AC or PRR. That light- and no-armor wearers have had their AC potential reduced further emphasizes, to my mind, the unnecessary implementation of a Dodge cap.

[Tyrande]

I have to ask, "Why?"

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My guess is that they don't want people to come up with builds of punks with > 25% (50%?) dodge; in combo with AC that can only be hit half of the time and put on displacement/blurry/ghostly items to make them almost cannot be hit by monsters.

hit chance in that scenario would be = 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.9 ~= 11%

[whomhead]

My guess is that they don't want people to come up with builds of punks with > 25% (50%?) dodge; in combo with AC that can only be hit half of the time and put on displacement/blurry/ghostly items to make them almost cannot be hit by monsters.

hit chance in that scenario would be = 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.9 ~= 11%

Which is still more than double what the theoretical minimum hit chance was before the update - which was 5%. Also, how is 11% almost unhittable? That's still more than 1 hit out of every 10 attempts. Or 11 hits out of every 100. Or 110 hits out of every 1000!!!

[Ape_Man]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

Fair enough . . . would it be too much to ask that certain buffs . . . say a bard's Inspire Heroics (which is woefully weak right now) not be subject to that cap?

[Riggs]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

That right there pretty much sums up a lot of reasons I doubt I will be coming back to the game or ever paying again.

I have a pretty healthy chunk of light armor builds, along with my favorite monk dex/wis build. "Wear heavy armor, or else take a lot more damage than before"

I have rebuilt too many characters over the years, and I am done with it. 6 years of watching game mechanics getting broken for no good reason and then the inevitable, and predictable, problems, power creeps, and various 'halo' effects of doing things wrong and taking years to barely fix them have finally left a bad taste in the mouth.

[elg582]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

Right! All we have to do is splash barbarian!

Let us do that and we'll call it even

[whomhead]

Right! All we have to do is splash barbarian!

Let us do that and we'll call it even

Wish granted! It's called Fury of the Wild, and it is awesome.

[elg582]

Wish granted! It's called Fury of the Wild, and it is awesome.

Does it give you uncanny dodge?

[Veriden]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

so why keep monks? Why not just replace them with sword sage from the book of 9 swords? You guys obviously don't want people to play monks and sword sages would solve EVERY problem monk has right now. Light armor + wis bonus to ac + cool little ki like special strikes, this would make every one happy + you can eliminate handwraps (ergo the bugs surrounding them.)

Moral of the story, there is absolutely no reason to make one class vastly inferior to it's peers as a melee..let alone the gap between melee and caster.

[Dagolar]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

The cap is understandable.
However, can we get a response on how having the dodge bonuses from Ocean Stance (and its GotF bonus) apply to the cap (rather than exceed it) makes Ocean Stance absolutely worthless, with Earth Stance being able to EASILY reach the low cap, while offering better health, armor class, and PRR?

[Thar]

The limit for dodge is intended to stay. We may add abilities that allow you to increase this limit for certain character builds.

Can we have dodge back to AC? The dex based toons are destroyed by this update. not only did the to hit calc's change, but we lost our dodge ac bonus as well. my 80+ ac ranger dropped and even wearing armor can't get close to where i was, much less the higher ac needed now with the to hit change.

Your forcing everyone to go str builds and we want variety!

[Trillea]

I must have missed it, what is the dodge % cap?

[TPICKRELL]

i must have missed it, what is the dodge % cap?

25%

[riexau]

Tell ya what, keep the dodge cap but let me dodge spells and effects and we'll call it even

*Drow sorcerer casts finger of death*

DODGE!

[TDSCBloody]

Tell ya what, keep the dodge cap but let me dodge spells and effects and we'll call it even

*Drow sorcerer casts finger of death*

DODGE!

my monk now has a spell resistance of 45,
I don't even need to "dodge" spells

btw I tested switching between fire stance (8% dodge with my gear) and the bugged water stance (25% dodge)
and I can't really tell the difference in gameplay. I only can say that my survivability is pretty good in both cases.
that is on a grandmaster 5 with about 70 AC (~50% to be hit), blur and ghostly.
so from my personal experience I don't really care about the dodge cap...

[TPICKRELL]

Don't suppose PRR is getting capped at 50 (25.67% mititgation) to make this fair for cloth armor...

Didn't think so.