Shroud Grief

[Melondrop]

Can you guys PLEASE add a two minute timer after the last part of the shroud when he dies?
I am REALLY REALLY tired of stupid people hitting the altar and griefing everyone who is trying to leave.

I was in mid ddoor out when someone did it today, so i lost out on two chests and have to wait for timer because some little snot nosed kid thinks its funny to cause grief for everyone else.

One person should not be allowed to mess things up for everyone else in the raid.

[Beetlebluebird]

Or you could /death out when Harry is almost dead and never have to worry about this issue ever again? o.O

[Vengeance777]

I'd like to see them add the dimensional anchor spell to part 5 of the Shroud that way people will have to learn to /death or recall out. Ddooring is the worst way to leave the Shroud. You have to go through 2 loading screens to leave when you ddoor and you don't show on the map while in the loading screen so it can appear that you are already out when you are not. Your delaying the entire party that much longer by ddooring and the ddoorer has more chances to get put on 3 day timer without any loot. Just /recall or /death when Harry's at 5%.

[SupTyr]

Today I saw someone ddooring out of one of the puzzle rooms... XD I guess he thought it was a smart move to get out without solving the puzzle or somehting. He spent the rest of the raid piking at the entrance.

IMO Turbine could try a bit harder to avoid these lockout situations. Why not just lock the entrance after a set amount of time like in the challenges and get rid of all the other random lockout/griefing mechanisms?

... or at least warn the players via DM voice that a barrier is about to pop up or that a portal will collapse soon. It's stupid to assume the party leader will repeat this over and over for each raid party: "DON'T MOVE once we go through the portal." "DON'T touch anything" and my favorite "DON'T range the dragon!!"

[Fefnir_2011]

I highly doubt they will honor your request since the Shroud was, y'know, intended to be completed. This is tantamount to asking them to make it so that every quest has a pick-up or interactible that you use to finish the quest, so you can invite people in for teh epic lootz or free xp.

[taurean430]

Try teleporting or /deathing out when Arry' is at 10%. You'll never have that issue again.

[MeliCat]

Both /recall and /death are interruptible. Fast group and I'd be doing this at 20% in case of dbfs.

A lot of divines don't know about word of recall scrolls. Beware of stupid graphic and location if you ever hotbar those things.

[sirgog]

Anyone foolish enough to use a D-Door to exit instead of recalling isn't deserving of sympathy if they get screwed out of loot.

The bug that made people use D-Door was fixed what, 3 years ago now?

Just tell people in voice and text chat 'hey, I'm leaving', and recall at 10% if they can finish without you, or instantly on Harry's death if they cannot. And if some idiot hits the altar early, you have recourse - you just cancel the recall.

[EllisDee37]

I don't even understand the logic behind using ddoor in the first pace. If you can cast (or umd scroll) ddoor you can cast (or umd scroll) teleport or even greater teleport, both of which instantly take you to Meridia in a single loading screen.

[Terebinthia]

I don't even understand the logic behind using ddoor in the first pace. If you can cast (or umd scroll) ddoor you can cast (or umd scroll) teleport or even greater teleport, both of which instantly take you to Meridia in a single loading screen.

From what I understand, and it's a bug before my time, there was a point at which you got kicked out of the Shroud into Korthos if you recalled, and Ddoor was a means to get round this.

It's an artifact of that time, historic but pointless. Sort of like DDO's appendix.

I went through a phase of trying to eliminate ddoors in the Shrouds I ran, but got fed up of the "ddoor plz" comments. It's just quicker to give them what they want if you're not running an altar's being hit the second Harry drops Shroud.

[stoerm]

Technical solutions to social problems.

Learn the names you want to avoid.

[sirgog]

From what I understand, and it's a bug before my time, there was a point at which you got kicked out of the Shroud into Korthos if you recalled, and Ddoor was a means to get round this.

It's an artifact of that time, historic but pointless. Sort of like DDO's appendix.

I went through a phase of trying to eliminate ddoors in the Shrouds I ran, but got fed up of the "ddoor plz" comments. It's just quicker to give them what they want if you're not running an altar's being hit the second Harry drops Shroud.

If you are the only caster, just say 'hitting altar in 15 sec' and don't cast a d-door. Recalling takes about 9 seconds, so they have plenty of time to do it.

Normal runs, I usually tell people to recall when Harry is at 100% unless there's a few finishing early. Let them cast their resists, bardsongs, etc then go.

[Bacab]

Both /recall and /death are interruptible. Fast group and I'd be doing this at 20% in case of dbfs.

A lot of divines don't know about word of recall scrolls. Beware of stupid graphic and location if you ever hotbar those things.

Yeah...I once *thought* I was using Unyielding Sovereignty...imagine my surprise when I was at the NPC for "Relic of a Sovereign Past".

Now imagine the surprise of my Barb buddy who I was duoing with. Luckily we were just doing Amrath Slayers (fighting the baby Harry one).

[Cyndrome]

Seriously... you want to waste two more minutes of my time every time I run the Shroud? I bet you save a devil in part 4 and kite the lieutenants in part 5. Half the time when I pug a Shroud I burn 20 extra minutes already sitting around. I try to be really considerate of other people, but geez - I could complete a TR in the time I have wasted in the Shroud. It should be a 20 minute quest in a poor group.

With the extra chests and improved end rewards I cannot imagine why anyone would not complete. I guess if you really need a shard so that you can TR and you don't have anyone in your guild who will pass the to you. Otherwise, just complete. Spend your extra time capping another toon so you can run it more often.

[MRMechMan]

No sympathy for OP.

You want to make everyone in the raid wait 2min because of the rare (for many reasons) person that wants to recall using a stupid method that is outdated by about 2-3 years?

It's not griefing to finish a quest that is meant to be finished. There are very few reasons NOT to finish and it is on YOU to get out before harry hits the ground-which is incredibly easy to do.

[sheepface]

Leave before the end then.

Problem solved.

[Melondrop]

The problem is im a fighter so i get interrupted if i try your suggestions, and if i back up and do that before he is dead it feels like im basically saying "im outta here at 10% so i dont care if you actually get the kill"

Also death and recall dont do anything if someone hits the altar while you're waiting for either to take effect.
Maybe you guys are real good at timing it but im not.
If ddoor is so outdated, then why is there someone putting one up after each shroud run?

The problem with completing for me is that i was just off the timer today and wanted to run shroud a few times over the weekend since its a holiday, now i cant because of other people's grief.

I dont really care if they decided to change it so everyone HAS to complete, i just hate being at the mercy of someone who feels like messing it up for everyone else is a funny thing to do.

There are very few reasons not to finish? really? are you serious? You like getting 1 maybe 2 larges then waiting
3 days to get more? really? Make any dual shard weapons lately?

I have to laugh at all the people complaining that two min would waste their time...boohoo..
If you can think of a better way to stop the grief im all ears.

[Charononus]

not signed, no sympathy, finish the quest work on completions you'll want cleansing for your accessories anyways.

[Cyndrome]

The problem with completing for me is that i was just off the timer today and wanted to run shroud a few times over the weekend since its a holiday, now i cant because of other people's grief.

I dont really care if they decided to change it so everyone HAS to complete, i just hate being at the mercy of someone who feels like messing it up for everyone else is a funny thing to do.

There are very few reasons not to finish? really? are you serious? You like getting 1 maybe 2 larges then waiting
3 days to get more? really? Make any dual shard weapons lately?

I have to laugh at all the people complaining that two min would waste their time...boohoo..
If you can think of a better way to stop the grief im all ears

So who is the cry baby here? I should bend over backwards to take care of you? I am very easy to get along with, but I would happily hit the altar every time in your Shrouds..

People still put up ddoors after the Shroud for two reasons:

1) they are sheep or
2)they are sick of listening to sheep

Complete your Shroud on hard or elite- you get 2 or 3 chests and an end reward. If you need more large ings cap another character or make friends. I've given away enough large ings in the past month to make a dual shard weapon.

[Melondrop]

I dont remember asking for sympathy, i asked for a way to stop grief.
I think some of you guys arent understanding what im trying to get across.

One person should not be able to "mess up" other people in the shroud or any other quest in the game.
So really all the "just do this" advice doesnt really help, and wont until the mechanic is changed.

Kinda like the people that like to throw grease around, they think its hilarious, but to most everyone else its just
an annoyance...just like this.

Im amazed at the amount of negativity you guys seem to have.