Is this pointless? Enchantment Save +6 with Superior Stability

[falcon8]

I have crafted my mithral chain mail to have Superior Stability on it. Is there any point to putting an Enchantment Save +6 onto a ring for the same character?

Superior Stability = This armor grants a +6 Deflection bonus to Armor Class and +6 Resistance bonus to saves for characters of True Neutral alignment. (Yes I am TN)

Resistance Shard (Enchantment) = This item gives a +6 enhancement bonus to your saves versus Enchantments.

The reason I ask is the name of the enchantment save shard implies that it is a Resistance bonus but descrip says otherwise... And if our Save vs Enchantment showed up on character sheet anywhere, I would just test it.

Anyone have any experience with this?

[Mad_ScientistsNH]

I wish I knew, and I wish even more than our character sheet was more detailed.

[Nyvn]

They don't stack.

[Jaid314]

they do stack, based on my experience. i've seen numbers on my die rolls with a bonus exactly 6 higher than my character sheet shows on a regular basis.

[cdr]

They shouldn't stack, but it's possible the enchantment shard is typed incorrectly (eg a bug). Never tested.

[Jaid314]

They shouldn't stack, but it's possible the enchantment shard is typed incorrectly (eg a bug). Never tested.

why not? one is resistance (the stability), the other is enhancement (the +6 will saves). why would they not stack? being 2 different save types and all.

[Nyvn]

why not? one is resistance (the stability), the other is enhancement (the +6 will saves). why would they not stack? being 2 different save types and all.

You're reading it wrong they both provide resistance bonus. Stability does it for all saves and +6 Enchantment does it for Enchantment. Not enhancement. Two different words.

[Brennie]

You're reading it wrong they both provide resistance bonus. Stability does it for all saves and +6 Enchantment does it for Enchantment. Not enhancement. Two different words.

According to the DDOWiki, you are the one who is reading it wrong.

@ Op - If the wiki and the shard description are true, they shoudl stack. Note, however, this really only helps against Disco balls/resistable dance, since all other enchantment-like effects are preventable via appropriate buffs.

[EllisDee37]

It's super useful at low levels to fight off holds, since your friendly neighborhood divine/ranger may not have fom yet.

[voodoogroves]

According to the DDOWiki, you are the one who is reading it wrong.

@ Op - If the wiki and the shard description are true, they shoudl stack. Note, however, this really only helps against Disco balls/resistable dance, since all other enchantment-like effects are preventable via appropriate buffs.

wiki is most likely wrong

[Jaid314]

wiki is most likely wrong

go in-game and read it then. it very clearly marks the +6 will save shard as being an enhancement bonus. it is, in fact, the same bonus as can be found on http://ddowiki.com/page/Adherence

[cru121]

Someone should test it in PnP.

Edit: in PvP, obviously.

[Brennie]

Someone should test it in PnP.

Did you mean PvP? Cause, I mean, I can go find my d20s but I'm not sure what that's gonna solve...

[falcon8]

These are the descriptions straight from the game interface, not from the Wiki.

Superior Stability = This armor grants a +6 Deflection bonus to Armor Class and +6 Resistance bonus to saves for characters of True Neutral alignment. (Yes I am TN)

Resistance Shard (Enchantment) = This item gives a +6 enhancement bonus to your saves versus Enchantments.

Although some have said something about Resistance Shard (Will), they both say the same thing in their descriptions. Both are called Resistance shard (x) but the description clearly states that it gives an ENHANCEMENT bonus, which to me means it should stack with the Stability line. I however don't have any experience with it and that's why I'm trying to clarify before I go making gear with potentially useless shards.

The other thing I'm not sure of, does the Stability line affect ALL saves I roll or only Fortitude, Will and Reflex saves?
Even tho those 3 cover most saves, it's not quite comprehensive.

[psteen1]

The other thing I'm not sure of, does the Stability line affect ALL saves I roll or only Fortitude, Will and Reflex saves?
Even tho those 3 cover most saves, it's not quite comprehensive.

Yes, stability affects all saves. You only have fortitude, will, and reflex saves. Enchantment saves would be a subcategory under will, I believe.

[bartosy]

it does stack tested it over and over in pvp and in quests..

+6 enchantment save is great in any quest because the majority of the spells that gets you killed are holds.. or crushing despair wich are both enchantment spells.. so yea def not useless.