Tenser's transformation

[red_cardinal]

Can you change bonus to stats from this spell to 'Profane' or 'Competence'?

[Tsuarok]

Can you change bonus to stats from this spell to 'Profane' or 'Competence'?

As long as they no longer sell them in vendors this would be good.

[Aesop]

Can you change bonus to stats from this spell to 'Profane' or 'Competence'?

I think I'd prefer them to be scaled bonuses instead.


CL 11
+4 str dex con
+4 Natural Armor
+5 Fort Save

+2 Str Dex Con every 4 levels there after
+1 Natural Armor every 4 levels there after

so at CL 20
+8 str dex con
+6 Natural Armor
+5 Fort


Alternately I could see making everything a scaling competence bonus

+2 Str Dex Con Natural Armor and Fort

+1 to each every 3 levels thereafter

total +5 Str Dex Con Natural Armor and Fort at level 20... though I'm leaning toward the first choice currently

Aesop

[Havok.cry]

Make them morale. The change they were going to do to madstone boots would be appropriate if done to tensers instead.

[Niv-mizzet]

Yes please. While tenser's is meant to be bad for casters (and is,) its meant to be a good thing for casters built for melee.

I have a caster built for melee. I still don't cast tenser's, because it is terrible even for the build it is meant for.

Any improvement to this spell would be appreciated.

[ArcaneMelee]

The cost of Tensers is too high. The benefits would have to be impressive to warrant its use.

Can you imagine the outcry and gnashing of teeth if arcanes were allowed to be competitive in melee?

Give the ability to cancel like barbarian's rage, and a small bonus to melee, and I'd use it. Take it out of the vendors if concerned about UMD abuse. Heck, tie the bonus to Int or Cha (base + tome + level ups).

[shadowspeaker]

This spell is a classic from pen and paper. The intent of the spell was to allow a Wizard who was out of spells or did not want to use any more spells to still have something to do other than hide and try not to die. Not a lot of fun when a combat can take 30+ minutes. So based on that it is working correctly. It just does not translate well to this venue.

I do think the Faith version should be relooked. Not sure why your Diety would cut you off from power with such a minor bonus.

Maybe the spell should just be removed and replaced with a polymorph spell. Form of the Bear or some such -10% movement +x to Str +x to Con -x to dex (+8/+4/-2 iirc).

I do hope they are working on Form spells for when druids hit.

[Havok.cry]

If we had no SLAs it might see use as the backup it was meant to be. As it stands though, carrying wands of various damage spells is likely to do more for you. And with the divine powers coming in clickie for, the spell is entirely sidelined into the useless category. It definitly needs work. Fortunately, Eladrin agreed that it needs an overhaul.... we just don't know where it is in the priority list (likely very low)

[Kadran]

Tensers has needed love for a long time. Since its release if you want to be specific. It's terrible. + to str and con thag don't stack with items? + to natural armor that doesn't stack with items/pots? And I lose my ability to cast? Lame.

There is literally no purpose to this spell. I bet Turbine can count on 1 hand of 1 employee the number of casters that memorize this spell, and all of them are from when the spell first came out, and those people no longer play...

[ainmosni]

Can you imagine the outcry and gnashing of teeth if arcanes were allowed to be competitive in melee?

LOL good one.

[Spud42]

I do not agree with this as there is already a certain arcane toon that can make use of Tenser's, I called it an "AAAcidic (H)elven Heretic" (Heretic as it does not comply with this Forum ideals). I changed the toon away from AA as I got semi annoyed with the manyshot cooldown and wanted to trial different heretical feats, not with the use of Tenser's. The only downside of Tenser's is that it stops wand/scroll healing, but as it only lasts for 2 minutes, this is not that bad. Also you have to remember to rage and haste and displace before Tensering.

[Ungood]

Make them morale. The change they were going to do to madstone boots would be appropriate if done to tensers instead.

I agree with this.

But can we fix the duration to be much shorter, like say the same duration as haste.

[Havok.cry]

I do not agree with this as there is already a certain arcane toon that can make use of Tenser's, I called it an "AAAcidic (H)elven Heretic" (Heretic as it does not comply with this Forum ideals). I changed the toon away from AA as I got semi annoyed with the manyshot cooldown and wanted to trial different heretical feats, not with the use of Tenser's. The only downside of Tenser's is that it stops wand/scroll healing, but as it only lasts for 2 minutes, this is not that bad. Also you have to remember to rage and haste and displace before Tensering.

LOL tenser's lasts for 1 minute per caster level... that's ALOT longer than 2 minutes in any case that matters. In fact it is 10 times as long on a 20 caster, 20 times as long if they have extend (would be silly I know). That's a long time to be going without the spells/scrolls/wands or anything else.

[Xaxx]

Eladrin said last... summer was it??... that tensers was being looked at and would get adjusted to make it more useful. Some information on if this is going to happen or not would be nice after all this time. Couse I'd be happy if they simply removed the no casting bit from it and bladesworn transformation... that needs to be removed from both of those spells/abilities before anything else can be done to them.

[Spud42]

In the game I play, Tenser's lasts for 2 minutes for a L20 Sorc.

[Silverleafeon]

Does this need editing: http://ddowiki.com/page/Tenser%27s_Transformation or does it last 1 minute for caster level?

[Havok.cry]

Eladrin said last... summer was it??... that tensers was being looked at and would get adjusted to make it more useful. Some information on if this is going to happen or not would be nice after all this time. Couse I'd be happy if they simply removed the no casting bit from it and bladesworn transformation... that needs to be removed from both of those spells/abilities before anything else can be done to them.

I'd like bladesworn transformation to be changed to "Bladeforged Transformation" and make it kinda like those guys in house C.

[shadowspeaker]

I'd like bladesworn transformation to be changed to "Bladeforged Transformation" and make it kinda like those guys in house C.

I would love that! Since my main, created well before they came out with sad pack, is named Bladeforged (kyber).

[EllisDee37]

Does this need editing: http://ddowiki.com/page/Tenser%27s_Transformation or does it last 1 minute for caster level?

It last ~2 minutes on my 16/2 wizard/rogue.

I can't really think of any time I would ever use it in a traditional quest situation, but I use it all the time in challenges. I cast haste, displace, rage, equip an undead maul, cast tenser's and go to town on the lich at the end of a 5 minute mephit wing run. Works great.

I would suggest also changing it to cost 12 sp to cast. It seems exactly like the kind of spell that should be echoes-able.

[ArcaneMelee]

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I can't really think of any time I would ever use it in a traditional quest situation, but I use it all the time in challenges. I cast haste, displace, rage, equip an undead maul, cast tenser's and go to town on the lich at the end of a 5 minute mephit wing run. Works great.
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You'd be better off using Divine Power, at least you could still use scrolls.