What's the point in crafting?

[kilagan800]

You can't use two shards on one item? Such as +3 chain mail of stability? Then what would be the point in crafting when you can sell your items, save your plat and just buy what you need at the ah? I can understand if you need a featherfall item item or underwater item, but for 10k i bought featherfall boots of balance +3. Is that something you can craft?? If not then so.... what's the point in crafting?

[Calebro]

You can't use two shards on one item? Yes you can Such as +3 chain mail of stability? Sure Then what would be the point in crafting when you can sell your items, save your plat and just buy what you need at the ah? I can understand if you need a featherfall item item or underwater item, but for 10k i bought featherfall boots of balance +3. Is that something you can craft?? Yes If not then so.... what's the point in crafting?

Methinks you should attempt to understand the crafting a bit more before you complain about it.

[kilagan800]

Methinks you should attempt to understand the crafting a bit more before you complain about it.

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Methinks im the customer and if you're offering your time to tell me this, then you certainly can offer some time explaining some of the process to me.

youthink?

rofl

[lhidda]

Methinks you should attempt to understand the crafting a bit more before you complain about it.

This.

[Beld]

The enhancement bonus (eg +1 - +5), the prefix (eg featherfall, striding, etc) and the suffix (eg of false like, of balance, of protection). You just have to put shards of potential on them first (or in the middle) to make the craftable level high enough to put all the shards on it.

Keep in mind that right now there is a bug that will multiply the ML requirements of more than one shard rather than adding them (so you get lower ML items with single shard, eg +3 stat bonus is ML 5 on crafted item but once you place that second shard, the ML jumps higher than it should be). No clear word on when this will be fixed, so craft carefully (I have over leveled some items on my alts trying to fit multiple effects, especially on weapons).

All in all, it's a time sink, I like it because I don't have to hunt things down in the AH, and can put effects and bonuses on gear more to my liking, but it's not for everyone.

[kilagan800]

The enhancement bonus (eg +1 - +5), the prefix (eg featherfall, striding, etc) and the suffix (eg of false like, of balance, of protection). You just have to put shards of potential on them first (or in the middle) to make the craftable level high enough to put all the shards on it.

Keep in mind that right now there is a bug that will multiply the ML requirements of more than one shard rather than adding them (so you get lower ML items with single shard, eg +3 stat bonus is ML 5 on crafted item but once you place that second shard, the ML jumps higher than it should be). No clear word on when this will be fixed, so craft carefully (I have over leveled some items on my alts trying to fit multiple effects, especially on weapons).

All in all, it's a time sink, I like it because I don't have to hunt things down in the AH, and can put effects and bonuses on gear more to my liking, but it's not for everyone.

Okay, so you're saying i have to look for recepies that will make 1 shard with said prefix and sufix? I actually tried doing this and I get "no items found". I really don't see anything here that would stop me from buying at the ah.

[Calebro]

Okay, so you're saying i have to look for recepies that will make 1 shard with said prefix and sufix? I actually tried doing this and I get "no items found". I really don't see anything here that would stop me from buying at the ah.

No.
You make three different shards. One prefix, one suffix, and one enhancement bonus. You apply all three separately.
If this would take the weapon past a +5 total bonus with the prefix, suffix, and enhancement bonus' total enhancement levels combined, you need to add a +6 shard of potential, or possibly +7-+12 depending on how high you need it.

A +4 Holy silver xXx of Evil Outsider Bane has +4 enhancement, Holy, and EoB. All of these total +8. So you need to first add a +6 shard of Potential, then a +7, then a +8. Then you add all three previously named shards individually.

There, was that enough of an explanation, smart alec?
There are numerous threads about this, as well as a fairly decent Compendium entry, as well as an excellent Wiki page. So do a little homework before you cry that it's useless.

[kilagan800]

No.
You make three different shards. One prefix, one suffix, and one enhancement bonus. You apply all three separately.
If this would take the weapon past a +5 total bonus with the prefix, suffix, and enhancement bonus' total enhancement levels combined, you need to add a +6 shard of potential, or possibly +7-+12 depending on how high you need it.

A +4 Holy silver xXx of Evil Outsider Bane has +4 enhancement, Holy, and EoB. All of these total +8. So you need to first add a +6 shard of Potential, then a +7, then a +8. Then you add all three previously named shards individually.

There, was that enough of an explanation, smart alec?
There are numerous threads about this, as well as a fairly decent Compendium entry, as well as an excellent Wiki page. So do a little homework before you cry that it's useless.

Actually i looked up ddowiki and it said it was lammania tested and not up to date.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Cannith_Craf...Deconstruction

And this doesn't go into real detail.
http://my.ddo.com/theris/2011/03/24/...-for-update-9/

So you can't make a +1 of lesser cold resistance, you need to make a higher level item or it won't make a prefix and suffix?

I used to grab clothes and jewelry items from the pawns and would usually find what I need (if not there then the ah) now everyone buys them up cheap to make essences. So now I'm forced to grind quests to get 1 alt to get a high crafting level only to give another toon a +2 chain mail period. :/

I wasn't ever trying to be a smarty, im just being honest. I've looked everywhere, taught myself how to work the process, and now that I wish to use this instead of the ah, I find out that it's pointless. Great.

And actually i didn't follow what you said above, it read like mumbo jumbo to me. +5 in +6 = +9 in what? Couldn't this be simplified by just adding or combining shards to add to your armor/item/weapon? I mean, it makes more sense than number-vomit.

This is just my opinion on the matter, if you guys have no problem doing this and figuring this crazy stuff out then more power to you. To me it's just blah blah huh?

But thanks for trying to get me to understand this. I guess the ah is just more handier for me.

[EllisDee37]

Keep in mind that right now there is a bug that will multiply the ML requirements of more than one shard rather than adding them (so you get lower ML items with single shard, eg +3 stat bonus is ML 5 on crafted item but once you place that second shard, the ML jumps higher than it should be). No clear word on when this will be fixed, so craft carefully (I have over leveled some items on my alts trying to fit multiple effects, especially on weapons).

There is no bug, it is working as intended. The formula is:

(X * 2) - 1

The shard crafting machine doesn't show the correct + value, though, so that may be part of where the confusion is coming from. Use the machine on the right that you use to attach shards to items to identify the proper + value. Then add up all the pluses and plug the total into the formula above.

A dev has stated that weapons and armor have higher ML than intended, and I think I know exactly what happened. They would be perfectly fixed by subtracting one + from each Enhancement Bonus shard, so instead of +1 to +5 kick them down to +0 to +4, but the system can't handle a zero value and they didn't want to have both +1 and +2 enhancement bonuses ("boni" is uber pretentious) be the same + value, so we have the current system. I don't have any inside info, this is just my suspicion.

[broolthebeast]

Everyone's view of crafting will be different. Personally, I wont ever buy another weapon of the AH at inflated prices when I can just make them.

Why make a min2 when i can make weapons that bypass DR. No need to waste the scales on it anymore.

Holy silver blank of evil outsider bane
Holy cold iron of evil outsider bane
anarchic burst blah of construct bane
Bloodrage in a slot other than necklace

[Bilger]

As a guildie made today +4 holy burst silver GA of greater lawful outsider bane need I say more!! Beauty of a pit fiend beater!!

[kilagan800]

As a guildie made today +4 holy burst silver GA of greater lawful outsider bane need I say more!! Beauty of a pit fiend beater!!

Have you made one? Did you follow any of this and think, oh it's so simple, instant item and no ah needed!

mmmhmmmm.

[Bilger]

Have you made one? Did you follow any of this and think, oh it's so simple, instant item and no ah needed!

mmmhmmmm.

Nope haven't made one and prob won't.

Crafting is worth it youcan make things like trinkets and such that can't find anywhere in game.

It's not hard to lvl and making items is easy if put time into it is not difficult at all.

Just because you are lazy and don't like it doesn't make it worthless as the item I posted shows you can make some very nice stuff.

I have made a few things and other than a lil grindy it is very easy.

[ThePrincipal]

i can see your point OP. I'm not interested in crafting trash weapons either. The game itself is a timesink. Why would I need a timesink within a timesink?! I'll stick to named items and the AH.

that being said, if youre crafting weapons that means youre some melee, which means youre a flavor build post U9

[Phemt81]

i can see your point OP. I'm not interested in crafting trash weapons either. The game itself is a timesink. Why would I need a timesink within a timesink?!

This.

[NinjaNeed]

i can see your point OP. I'm not interested in crafting trash weapons either. The game itself is a timesink. Why would I need a timesink within a timesink?! I'll stick to named items and the AH.

that being said, if youre crafting weapons that means youre some melee, which means youre a flavor build post U9

1. That seriously limits your options on named items. And no, the weapons you craft are NOT trash but some of the highest dps weapons in the game!

2. I see your attempt at a joke here but its fail again. A 800hp Barb with 80+ strength will easily out dps a 200hp wizard with, whoops dead! And the wizard also has HUGE use out of this crafting system. If he has found it impossible to find a "power x" item he can craft one (eventually! With the right skill and when the cap is increased)! He also will NOT be limited to ONLY having power x on an item, but can add something else to it.

3. Basically if you do not see the point in the crafting system then DONT USE IT!

[Don1966]

You can't use two shards on one item? Such as +3 chain mail of stability? Then what would be the point in crafting when you can sell your items, save your plat and just buy what you need at the ah? I can understand if you need a featherfall item item or underwater item, but for 10k i bought featherfall boots of balance +3. Is that something you can craft?? If not then so.... what's the point in crafting?

Okay, so you're saying i have to look for recepies that will make 1 shard with said prefix and sufix? I actually tried doing this and I get "no items found". I really don't see anything here that would stop me from buying at the ah.

Actually i looked up ddowiki and it said it was lammania tested and not up to date.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Cannith_Craf...Deconstruction

And this doesn't go into real detail.
http://my.ddo.com/theris/2011/03/24/...-for-update-9/

So you can't make a +1 of lesser cold resistance, you need to make a higher level item or it won't make a prefix and suffix?

I used to grab clothes and jewelry items from the pawns and would usually find what I need (if not there then the ah) now everyone buys them up cheap to make essences. So now I'm forced to grind quests to get 1 alt to get a high crafting level only to give another toon a +2 chain mail period. :/

I wasn't ever trying to be a smarty, im just being honest. I've looked everywhere, taught myself how to work the process, and now that I wish to use this instead of the ah, I find out that it's pointless. Great.

And actually i didn't follow what you said above, it read like mumbo jumbo to me. +5 in +6 = +9 in what? Couldn't this be simplified by just adding or combining shards to add to your armor/item/weapon? I mean, it makes more sense than number-vomit.

This is just my opinion on the matter, if you guys have no problem doing this and figuring this crazy stuff out then more power to you. To me it's just blah blah huh?

But thanks for trying to get me to understand this. I guess the ah is just more handier for me.

let's see if maybe i can simplify this a bit for you. to make an item you need to follow these steps and we will use as an example a longsword. also you can't start with named items or an item that does not have a + number in the upper right corner.
1. get an item of the type you want to make, so get a longsword, either from AH or from looting it, we will start with a +1 longsword of halfling bane which is pretty much useless for most quests.
2. take longsword and place it in the deconstruction machine along with the dust of disjunction, hit the button. you now have a longsword with no effects but it does say craftable +5 now. the +5 means it can take up to +5 enchantment levels on it to start.
3. decide what effects you want to place on it. note that you can't just place anything you want, it has to be an effect that is applicable to longswords which is classed as a main hand and off hand weapon. to see what effects that can go on what gear see this post, http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=318331
in our example case we are going to place holy, which is a prefix, and lesser undead bane, which is a suffix.
4. create a holy shard by placing the ingredients the shard machine asks for for that type of shard.
5. create an undead bane shard by placing the ingredients the shard machine asks for for that type of shard.
6. take both shards and the longsword over to the crafting device marked bound items. place one of the shards in the machine then place the longsword in, hit the craft button. in the example, place the holy shard in. you will now have a holy longsword. note that the holy shard had a +2 in it's upper right corner and now your longsword has a +2 in its upper right corner.
7. place the lesser undead bane shard in the same machine and place the longsword in too, hit the craft button. you now have a holy longsword of lesser undead bane. note that the lesser undead bane shard had a +1 in its upper right corner and now your sword has a +3 in its upper right corner. the +2 from the holy and the +1 from the bane shard added together to give your sword a +3 enhancement level. since a craftable item can initially take up to +5 we can add +2 more to it now. also note that the min level on the sword should be at 5 now.
8. go back to the shard machine and make a +2 enhancement bonus shard by adding in the ingredients the machine asks for.
9. go back to the item machine and place the +2 enhancement bonus shard in then the long sword in and hit craft. you now have a +2 holy longsword of lesser undead bane. note that the +2 enhancement bonus shard had a +2 in its upper right corner and now your longsword has a +5 in its upper right corner, the +2 from holy, +1 from bane and +2 from enhancement added up to +5. which just happens to be the max the item could take. also the min level on the longsword went to 9.

now a few more notes. since the min level of crafted items is currently not working right you really have to watch what effects you put on so you don't make an item you can't use yet. the current formula for figuring this out is take the + numbers in the upper right of everything you are going to add to the item, add them together, multiply that by 2 the subtract 1 from that. in the example we ended up with a +5 so 5 times 2 equals 10, minus 1 equals 9. so min level is 9.
let's say this is going to be used by a level 11 character. this means we could have added a +3 enhancement bonus to it instead of a +2, which would raise the + number to 6. 6 times 2 minus 1 equals 11. but, the max total enhancements from the blank item is 5. so, we have to raise the max total enhancements to 6. we do this by crafting a +6 shard of potential then putting that on before adding any enhancement bonus shard. after the potential shard has been added we craft a +3 enhancement bonus shard instead of a +2 enhancement bonus shard and place the item and the shard in the machine.
so, with the crafting we now have it is possible to make the items you really want instead of trying to find it on AH. for example, let's say you really want a ghost touch great axe of undead bane for smacking on wraiths. on Sarlona at this moment there are a total of 5 weapons on AH with both ghost touch and undead bane, none of which are great axes. the +4 holy silver of lawful outsider bane everyone has been talking about on the forums? have you ever seen one of those on AH? if you ever do it will be listed at the cap AH can handle which is a tad over 2 million plat. well, with a high enough crafting level you can make that and have it on the type of weapon you want. so if you use great axes you don't have to settle for that being on a bastard sword.
there are so downsides to crafting, the grind to get your crafting level to a point where you can make any really useful stuff, breaking down loot for essences instead of selling which puts a huge dent in you cash flow plus the time spent in front of the machine making junk shards just to get crafting levels up. but over all i think it's worth it just so i can make gear that fits in to what i want.

[phalaeo]

Either crafting is for you, or it isn't. I'm happy, because I've whipped up some real gems: a Ring of Moderate Fortification with a Medium Guild Augment Slot, which I've filled with +120 stacking SP for my WF FvS. It's ML:5.

Most recently, I made a +4 Anarchic Burst Adamantine Maul of Construct Bane for my melee Cleric to use on Golems and the like.

And, I've undertaken the chance to experiment with equipping my baby Shintao Monk with as many crafted items as it makes sense to slot as she levels. So far, I have a WIS +4 Ring, ML:7 (That's the same ML: as the Mystic Belt and is the earliest I know that one can equip +4 WIS). I have a matching ring with +4 DEX. She's got a Concentration +10 Necklace at Level 7, also a huge skill bonus at that level.

Between all the Dex and Wis boni and her robe (crafted with a Natural Armor bonus), she sits at a virtually untouchable AC of 49 at Level 7.

It does require some time investment to make the most out of what's available, but if any of what I've mentioned above sounds good, then perhaps you'll like crafting more than you initially thought.

[EllisDee37]

To the OP, I was confused by the same thing as you at first. You can add a prefix and a suffix, you just have to do them one at a time. Add one of the abilities, then add the next one. For some reason you have to close and re-open the machine between attaching shards, but whatever.

[TheDearLeader]

What's the point of crafting, you ask?



This is the effin point of crafting.