Seal of the Black Abbot

[Ga-Rei]

I used to run Ascension Chamber with my guildes 3-4 times a week for loot and Seal of the Black Abbot.
In the past few weeks after an update, we discovered that Seal of the Black Abbot not dropping anymore.
Usually we got 1 seal in 3 run or even more in the past and now we got zero since few weeks ago.
The other loots are fine and sometimes with mythic on those.
Did anyone get a Seal of the Black Abbot in these few weeks?
I hope it is not bugged but that means we are extremely unlucky in the past few weeks.

[Ryiah]

I hope it is not bugged

Worst case if it is you can always just turn in shield or tome sets for the seal.

[EllisDee37]

I used to run Ascension Chamber with my guildes 3-4 times a week for loot and Seal of the Black Abbot.
In the past few weeks after an update, we discovered that Seal of the Black Abbot not dropping anymore.
Usually we got 1 seal in 3 run or even more in the past and now we got zero since few weeks ago.
The other loots are fine and sometimes with mythic on those.
Did anyone get a Seal of the Black Abbot in these few weeks?
I hope it is not bugged but that means we are extremely unlucky in the past few weeks.

My experience farming the raid for seals in December and January was that the 16% drop rate on elite was correct, but I haven't run it since then.

Just to get it out of the way, you're not running on Normal I assume, right?

[Ga-Rei]

My experience farming the raid for seals in December and January was that the 16% drop rate on elite was correct, but I haven't run it since then.

Just to get it out of the way, you're not running on Normal I assume, right?

We are always running on elite for better loot drop rate and seal.
Since an update, the chest did not drop seal anymore.
We tried to run hard once and still got nothing from it.
The drop rate of seal is normal in the past.
Every few runs there must be 1 among us.
It is very abnormal that in these few weeks we got zero seal.

[Graskitch]

My experience farming the raid for seals in December and January was that the 16% drop rate on elite was correct, but I haven't run it since then.

Just to get it out of the way, you're not running on Normal I assume, right?

that is so funny that you posted this thread. I was actually wondering about the seal of the black abbot drop rate from the ascension chamber raid myself.

we run the ascension chamber on elite 4 times a week (for the past 3 weeks so far). someone asked me where to get a seal of the abbot. I told them it was a rare drop from the raid itself, but that she could get it from a complete tome or shield turn-in.

but it got me realizing that in all those raids that we have run, the seal of the abbot has not dropped once (I have been taking record from the beginning of all the named drops).

[Spellburst]

Same here. We have opened the chest in hard about 30 times recently (last month) and no seal of the abbot has appeared. The drop rate of the other named items seems the same as in the past, but the seal has not dropped even once.

With a few people saying the same and no one claiming a seal drop, I assume it is bugged or it has been intentionally changed (but without notice as far as I know). Not sure when the bug/change started... U33 maybe. What I can say is that in U35 Patch4, the seal of the abbot is still not appearing in the chest of the raid.

It would be great if someone could confirm if this is a bug or WAI.

[EllisDee37]

With a few people saying the same and no one claiming a seal drop, I assume it is bugged or it has been intentionally changed (but without notice as far as I know). Not sure when the bug/change started... U33 maybe. What I can say is that in U35 Patch4, the seal of the abbot is still not appearing in the chest of the raid.

Update 34 at the earliest. As stated upthread, I successfully farmed several seals from the raid in December and January.

IIRC I pulled around 4 in the 20 runs I did, around 10 of which I dualboxed so figure around 30 pulls. Sadly there was no seal in the 20th list.

[Steelstar]

Yes, this item has unintentionally fallen out of the treasure table. This is fixed internally, and should appear in an upcoming patch.

[Readcom]

What?!? Two months and you do nothing?!
Not that someone run that quest anyway...

[Seikojin]

Yes, this item has unintentionally fallen out of the treasure table. This is fixed internally, and should appear in an upcoming patch.

Steelstar, do you know if more named items have dropped out? Or if there is something that easily can make that happen on updates? Like patching a build (on compile) with X script adds items 1,2,3 and script Y adds items 3,4,5, however without script Z to wrap it all up, the order of operations makes item 3 get removed (because one script turns it on, the other turns it off)...

[Steelstar]

Steelstar, do you know if more named items have dropped out? Or if there is something that easily can make that happen on updates? Like patching a build (on compile) with X script adds items 1,2,3 and script Y adds items 3,4,5, however without script Z to wrap it all up, the order of operations makes item 3 get removed (because one script turns it on, the other turns it off)...

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

We're on the lookout for any other treasure tables that may have been affected, but DDO has several thousand treasure tables, and this kind of thing is difficult to locate without knowing the specific item to check for. We were able to locate and fix both this and the VON6 issues due to well-written player bug reports; if you suspect other items aren't dropping, the best thing you can do is submit a bug report.

[Wizza]

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

We're on the lookout for any other treasure tables that may have been affected, but DDO has several thousand treasure tables, and this kind of thing is difficult to locate without knowing the specific item to check for. We were able to locate and fix both this and the VON6 issues due to well-written player bug reports; if you suspect other items aren't dropping, the best thing you can do is submit a bug report.

I think Tomes are "inadvertently" left out of the whole game, or/and dropping the wrong values at the wrong levels. Maybe could fix that too at the same time?

[Arctigis]

I think Tomes are "inadvertently" left out of the whole game, or/and dropping the wrong values at the wrong levels. Maybe could fix that too at the same time?

Indeed. Not seen a single stat tome drop since I returned to the game on 25th Feb. In
that time I've picked up a few +skill tomes and even a +1 upgrade fate tome.

[Seikojin]

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

We're on the lookout for any other treasure tables that may have been affected, but DDO has several thousand treasure tables, and this kind of thing is difficult to locate without knowing the specific item to check for. We were able to locate and fix both this and the VON6 issues due to well-written player bug reports; if you suspect other items aren't dropping, the best thing you can do is submit a bug report.

Thanks for the detail on how broad the tables are. If I hear of anything, I will attempt a repro for some good bugging.

I think Tomes are "inadvertently" left out of the whole game, or/and dropping the wrong values at the wrong levels. Maybe could fix that too at the same time?

I will agree with Wizza. I haven't seen a +1 stat tome drop from loot tables for years. And at one time, before that period, I saw one drop in Haverdasher. Which actually seemed appropriate considering the min level of the tome. I digress. The tome drop rate has exponentially decreased since loot options/combinations have increased 3-4 fold. Can they be added to some X run loot tables on rewards? Like add them to all raid 20ths reward tables? (+1 for chronoscope, tempest, Von 6, +2 for titan, demon queen, and reavers fate, +3 from Ascension, Shroud, Vod, and Hox, and +4 from Artificer, Lord of Blades, and ToD, +5 from Caught in the web and Fall of truth, +6 from defiler, thunder peak, temple, and mark of death, and +7 from legendary HoX, Legendary Tempest, riding, and codex) As guaranteeds, I know everyone will do 20 for them. Tomes are one of the guaranteeds for raiding. I am sure players would even prefer if they were definitely there.

Yeah, I think doing that has no drawbacks. I mean 20th is far enough out that players won't ruin the economy, alts will get their stat love, and it would take a long time (relatively) for the characters to get them. I think BTCoA is a great limiter here in this case too. This would seal the market.

[bracelet]

I haven't seen a +1 stat tome drop from loot tables for years.

Indeed. The tome drop rate is abysmal. I have a mule with 60+ tomes on him. All but 2 or 3 of them were acquired years ago. The rate has gone from one or two a month or so, to 1 a year or so, if you are lucky.

[retrojet]

I also agree. I have gone more than 5 heroic lives, diff chars and all at elite or reaper with BB (at least through the 1st 15 levels for sure), and not seen a single +1 attribute or skill tome drop. I believe, at the very minimum they have dropped the odds back to 4-5 years ago levels. At one point, they (devs) said they were increasing special table rates to 1 in 432 (approx), during that short 1-2 year window, I expected to get about 1 lowbie tome of some type (or a similar special table drop like XP potions, omnispell dust) each life.

I also wish they would fix the random number generator on the dailies to not consider inventory/ time logged in during the roll. If I fully login and roll in during 1st 1-10 minutes logged in, I almost inevitably roll below 20. Same if character seems to be log in lagged or moves forward at all. Problem seems to go away around 15 minutes into the login.

I tested this one full month on a single server and rolled 30 days in a row (around 1 minute into login) and NEVER rolled above 30 out of 100. The random number generator is obviously bugged or considers things during the generation of a number that it should not be doing. It is statistically almost impossible for a random number generator to roll below 30 days in a row without other factors coming into play. Test it yourselves some time.

Thanks for the detail on how broad the tables are. If I hear of anything, I will attempt a repro for some good bugging.



I will agree with Wizza. I haven't seen a +1 stat tome drop from loot tables for years. And at one time, before that period, I saw one drop in Haverdasher. Which actually seemed appropriate considering the min level of the tome. I digress. The tome drop rate has exponentially decreased since loot options/combinations have increased 3-4 fold. Can they be added to some X run loot tables on rewards? Like add them to all raid 20ths reward tables? (+1 for chronoscope, tempest, Von 6, +2 for titan, demon queen, and reavers fate, +3 from Ascension, Shroud, Vod, and Hox, and +4 from Artificer, Lord of Blades, and ToD, +5 from Caught in the web and Fall of truth, +6 from defiler, thunder peak, temple, and mark of death, and +7 from legendary HoX, Legendary Tempest, riding, and codex) As guaranteeds, I know everyone will do 20 for them. Tomes are one of the guaranteeds for raiding. I am sure players would even prefer if they were definitely there.

Yeah, I think doing that has no drawbacks. I mean 20th is far enough out that players won't ruin the economy, alts will get their stat love, and it would take a long time (relatively) for the characters to get them. I think BTCoA is a great limiter here in this case too. This would seal the market.

[Hafeal]

Indeed. The tome drop rate is abysmal ,,, The rate has gone from one or two a month or so, to 1 a year or so, if you are lucky.

I agree. The last one I pulled it would not let me use even tough I should be able to (skill +1 to +2). I did report it months ago and have never gotten a response.

[Thar]

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

We're on the lookout for any other treasure tables that may have been affected, but DDO has several thousand treasure tables, and this kind of thing is difficult to locate without knowing the specific item to check for. We were able to locate and fix both this and the VON6 issues due to well-written player bug reports; if you suspect other items aren't dropping, the best thing you can do is submit a bug report.

Mysterious Baubles and shard of the spell storing ring don't drop...

[Thar]

I also agree. I have gone more than 5 heroic lives, diff chars and all at elite or reaper with BB (at least through the 1st 15 levels for sure), and not seen a single +1 attribute or skill tome drop. I believe, at the very minimum they have dropped the odds back to 4-5 years ago levels. At one point, they (devs) said they were increasing special table rates to 1 in 432 (approx), during that short 1-2 year window, I expected to get about 1 lowbie tome of some type (or a similar special table drop like XP potions, omnispell dust) each life.

I also wish they would fix the random number generator on the dailies to not consider inventory/ time logged in during the roll. If I fully login and roll in during 1st 1-10 minutes logged in, I almost inevitably roll below 20. Same if character seems to be log in lagged or moves forward at all. Problem seems to go away around 15 minutes into the login.

I tested this one full month on a single server and rolled 30 days in a row (around 1 minute into login) and NEVER rolled above 30 out of 100. The random number generator is obviously bugged or considers things during the generation of a number that it should not be doing. It is statistically almost impossible for a random number generator to roll below 30 days in a row without other factors coming into play. Test it yourselves some time.

tomes got the nerf bat... easy way to get purified dragonshards for crafting. coincidence?

[zehnvhex]

For what it's worth last weekend I got a +1 fate tome from CiTW EH. I pulled a +2->+3 charisma tome from Heroic Shroud about 3 hours ago. It was also my 20th run and the 20th run reward list for shroud IS a bunch of +2 and +3 tomes.

Also PED's are stupidly easy to farm because you can just plow through EN gianthold in about 2 hours for a +3 skill tome.

I've probably gotten ~8 stat tomes since Jan and I've shredded more skill tomes for PED's then I can shake a stick at. That doesn't include the bucketloads I've gotten from favor either. I've seen a couple LR+5 hearts drop as well.

Oddly enough, I haven't seen a jibbers blade since last year. Go figure.

Anyways.

I admit that my experience is entirely anecdotal and probably far above the current norm.