Free Transfers Available to Orien and Sarlona February 8th-28th

[Sylvado]

A reasonable solution would have been to leave the characters on HC and not start a new HC season until they had fixed the transfer problems and the characters moved to Orien and Sarlona. If they had thought through the ramification of this current solution maybe they would have realized the value of that option. Of course, that solution is no longer possible so they need to do something else. Give a week of free transfers to any server to level the playing field. That is an "other reasonable solution".

So your reasonable solution is to deny me all the gold rolls made during an HC season? How does free transfers to any server resolve the population concerns, seems to me it would make it worse. The population concern is the only legitimate problem. The fact that some people will be able to transfer items has no impact on others, it is simple envy. Before you ask, my home world is Argonnessen so I don't get the free transfer.

[Sven_Hoek]

1) Is the FREE option just ONE transfer? Even though the title is Free TransferS to the 2 worlds, the next line says: Read more about A free character transfer window to Orien and Sarlona beginning February 8th. (A character transfer), so is that only one free one?

2) If I have no character slots left open on Orien, will I be able to move additional characters to that server? or do I need to delete toons on the Orien/Salorna server.

3) I have characters on Salorna that I want to move to Orien, will the free transfer allow that option, or is it only the other servers that can transfer to either Orien/Salorna?

That's all

Thanks in advance.

[ahpook]

So your reasonable solution is to deny me all the gold rolls made during an HC season?

No. I said that the correct solution would have been to leave them on HC until they fixed the problem at which point then they could be moved to Sarlona or Orien. I also said that this was now impossible so their plan for free transfers is required.

How does free transfers to any server resolve the population concerns, seems to me it would make it worse. The population concern is the only legitimate problem. The fact that some people will be able to transfer items has no impact on others, it is simple envy. Before you ask, my home world is Argonnessen so I don't get the free transfer.

It may make it worse but I think it unlikely since there would not be 2 clear options to transfer to. People would be required to agree what server should be come the default and as we have seen here is agreement on anything is rare. I don't think people are agreeing when the choice is between just 2 servers.

[mikarddo]

It may make it worse but I think it unlikely since there would not be 2 clear options to transfer to. People would be required to agree what server should be come the default and as we have seen here is agreement on anything is rare. I don't think people are agreeing when the choice is between just 2 servers.

Exactly. With only two servers to go for free everyone can see that those servers will increase in population. So, if someone feels an acute lack of population they would logically consider moving somewhere that is surely increasing.

If instead any server was open for business there would be no certainty that any particular server would increase in population, and hence there would be less reason to move at all.

[TitusOvid]

Exactly. With only two servers to go for free everyone can see that those servers will increase in population. So, if someone feels an acute lack of population they would logically consider moving somewhere that is surely increasing.

If instead any server was open for business there would be no certainty that any particular server would increase in population, and hence there would be less reason to move at all.

Not particularly. The most popular servers might gain even more and the lesser ones dry out and we have 2 or 3 more Wayfinder clones. This is not a viable solution either. It needs to be controlled somehow.
Make a certain number of transfers a year free for ViP and lower the cost of paid ones. Let it start slowly instead of opening all the gates at once.


Cheers,
Titus.

[DaviMOC]

Let the people enjoy the "FREE" gift and make their choices freely. if they want to go "let it go". If going to one of those servers is an option , being stuck on a server you dont want to be isnt reasonable . Eventually people will quit the game or do the paid transfer. Whoever wants to go, will go, no one should be held to satisfy anyones sense of a popular server, or to fill someone else's party. In the end the decision to transfer should only be about the individual that wants or not to do so, not about the comunity that he already wants to leave .

For those planning to come to Orien, all i can say is that its a great server, like any other. There is the good people, the bad ones and the drama. Like any normal server would do. So just come if you planning to come with friends or there is nothing left where you are, no reasons to follow the crowd if you're abandoning anything like that.

[Sylvado]

No. I said that the correct solution would have been to leave them on HC until they fixed the problem at which point then they could be moved to Sarlona or Orien. I also said that this was now impossible so their plan for free transfers is required.

Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

[MathisMagic]

It's fascinating to me how negative the community is on here compared to on the reddit. Way more positive (and consistent with my in-game community experience) over there about like every issue I see, but this one is especially notable. This thread here is just people complaining and arguing whereas the equivalent thread on reddit is people being excited and discussing different cultures of different servers and stuff...

[Deltoideus]

People say its a free option. It is but it also isn't. I don't wanne leave my server but don't wanne risk playing on a unpopulated server. (which I think is bound to happend, everyday u here more and more guilds are gonna leave). So I feel SSG leave me no choice, eat sh*t or die? Goodbye to my 2k shards, sucks. I will never buy shards from store again. Goodbye to guild amneties. Goodbye to casual players, Guildies and friends not active at the moment. Such a bad decision from SSG. Make the transfers but make em in a controlled manner. I'm no developer but how much resources needs to be used for making a real merge made by devs? This sounds like just a way to save money. Shareholders > players. I'm ****ed.

[Dandonk]

People say its a free option. It is but it also isn't. I don't wanne leave my server but don't wanne risk playing on a unpopulated server. (which I think is bound to happend, everyday u here more and more guilds are gonna leave). So I feel SSG leave me no choice, eat sh*t or die? Goodbye to my 2k shards, sucks. I will never buy shards from store again. Goodbye to guild amneties. Goodbye to casual players, Guildies and friends not active at the moment. Such a bad decision from SSG. Make the transfers but make em in a controlled manner. I'm no developer but how much resources needs to be used for making a real merge made by devs? This sounds like just a way to save money. Shareholders > players. I'm ****ed.

I agree. This had been badly handled, to say the least.

Yes, people deserve to get their HC toons. No doubt about it. But they should get them in a way that doesn't impact other servers negatively. That can't be so hard, after all, they've had months.

Oh, wait, we're coming up on a year and still no firm word on VIP bonuses. Nevermind.

[ahpook]

Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

I see your point now. But that is a post-hoc justification as when they came up with the plan to give free transfers sometime in the future, this current HC season had not been announced. If they had planned to fix the transfer before opening a new HC you wouldn't have known what you were missing. It also is likely that they would have resolved the transfer issue faster as they may have been motivated to fix the problem so they could start a new HC season (thus still giving you those rolls).

[MathisMagic]

I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

[LavidDynch]

I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server? Also it doesnt take that many active players to leave in order to make it a ghost town, I bet most people who throws up LFM´s have already made preparations. 'Everything' must be the forum hyperbole of the century. I don´t know how the pastures looks on O or S, but one thing I am certain of, there will be many new cowboys in either of those towns.

[MathisMagic]

Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server?

Uh, 'Cos literally the purpose of this is that the people from Sarlona and Orien needed to get chars home from HC6??? So we'll need to do that? Not to mention the people that discussed consolidating items on O or S and then using 1 toon to move back to their main server.

I have like 3 bank toons that didn't make it back from HC6, plus another 4 or so that I'll need to move that are sitting on HC 7 that I haven't moved because transfers have been down to Sarlona. So it will look in the numbers next week like 7 chars moved, even tho they're gonna get deleted once I can get everything organized on Sarlona.

[mikarddo]

I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

You have an odd way of interpreting those numbers. I definitely read them differently.

The sample is small ofcourse but lets for the sake of the argument assume it is infact representative. That means a full 25% of the population from the other servers are moving to O or S. Thats leaves the other servers with 75% remaining while O and S move up to 162.5%, or more than double the population of the other servers.

Now, for the other servers - if it took 45 mins filling your PUG raid expect it to take an hour instead. If half the time noone joined your heroic pug group expect it to be nearly 2/3 of the time noone joins. Heck, the effect of a 25% loss from people moving would probably be worse than that as soloers are unlikely to move meaning the people moving are more likely to come out of the "lfm" pool than the average population.

A 25% loss of population would be worse than I had feared and I definitely dont hope that happens. It would be a major blow to the other servers. So, I dont get why you think 25% is not significant. If anything your numbers only reinforced that the unfairness is infact a very real issue.

[ahpook]

You have an odd way of interpreting those numbers. I definitely read them differently.

Yeah, 25% is huge. it used to be you would decimate a village by killing 10%. (Of course, with inflation and the education of news anchors, decimating is probably now closer to 54% )

[Kelledren]

Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server? .

Those with a couple years of daily gold rolls have a lot of goods on all the servers. And if your not fortunate enough to have Orien or Sarlona as your home server then you will condense everything to one server for free, then pay 2500 points to get your goods to your home server. It is stupid expensive to transfer, but this one way will make it worthwhile. I will be moving 14 bank toons to Sarlona. Then probably deleting most of them.

[LavidDynch]

Those with a couple years of daily gold rolls have a lot of goods on all the servers. And if your not fortunate enough to have Orien or Sarlona as your home server then you will condense everything to one server for free, then pay 2500 points to get your goods to your home server. It is stupid expensive to transfer, but this one way will make it worthwhile. I will be moving 14 bank toons to Sarlona. Then probably deleting most of them.

Oh, good for those people, all that work and scheming finally comes into fruition... (I put it solidly in the 'who cares-folder' for this discussion)

[TitusOvid]

Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

Clone the server. Wipe one and close the other until the issue is resolved.

Cheers,
Titus

[Kelledren]

Oh, good for those people, all that work and scheming finally comes into fruition... (I put it solidly in the 'who cares-folder' for this discussion)

You asked, I answered. Honestly don’t think very many from Khyber will move, so the whole thing is kinda a who cares for me.