Hey Devs: Please Adjust the Nebula Fragment Drop Rate

[Airmaiden]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

[Oxarhamar]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

Isn't that just a confirmation of the issue

12 charcters x7 runs + the sagas multiple times weekly

a dozen characters thru SM rares till ransack lol

[Kielbasa]

Looks like most people can now safely opt out of the nebula system now that we know what sort of commitment is needed to get them to drop. Thanks for sharing the info. Happy Holidays all! Don't forget to hydrate and get some fresh air while braving the inlaws gauntlet.

[karatemack]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

2 additional weeks of ransacking on multiple characters. Still no drop. This includes the slayer and multiple quests on reaper until ransack.

[Airmaiden]

2 additional weeks of ransacking on multiple characters. Still no drop. This includes the slayer and multiple quests on reaper until ransack.

So, I have been keeping a close eye on these drop and marking down how many chest I open. Looks like my luck has run out.....Since my last post, I have only pulled 2 Nebula fragments from a total (give or take a few) of 1171 chests in the SM explorer area.

[Mindos]

I just tell everyone to run the rares 7 times (that will ransack you on the 2 rares that are always up)..

Which two? I know the stone one on top of the hill, but what's the other one that's always up?

Also, you can loot 8 times before ransack.

[Aelonwy]

Which two? I know the stone one on top of the hill, but what's the other one that's always up?

Also, you can loot 8 times before ransack.

I ran the rares a lot on HC recently, the kelpie never failed to appear, perhaps that's the other one.

[Bjond]

run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers) [...] Do not get frustrated

Boiled it down a little. So, 500 chests isn't enough? It takes weeks (plural) of that? Uh, that's YEARS for most players. That's truly industrial grade farming.

My HCL character got bored after about 4 runs in the wilderness. During that cycle, I got exactly ONE star fragment -- wasn't even trying to farm for nebula. Fortunately, forum was helpful and I swapped to running quests for stars. So far, every quest has given a star. I've never seen a nebula either on live or on HCL, but then I've also not opened thousands of chests.

IMHO, 2~3 sagas or wilderness ransacks should be about right for a nebula. It should be similar to the Sharn chance for a minor artifact, because that's what a nebula does and because a nebula also requires farming the base item. You've already put in the required farm effort before you even got the nebula.

[LightBear]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

[karatemack]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

If this is true, then Aelonwy is right in their assessment of taking away power creep just to put it back into the game.

Given the amount of grind to produce a single perfected artifact, if the next couple of updates make that gear outdated due to powercreep- then we're back to Epic Gianthold all over again. I truly hope this isn't the case.

[Oxarhamar]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

Yeah thats one reason not wasting time on this absurdity

[LightBear]

If this is true, then Aelonwy is right in their assessment of taking away power creep just to put it back into the game.

Given the amount of grind to produce a single perfected artifact, if the next couple of updates make that gear outdated due to powercreep- then we're back to Epic Gianthold all over again. I truly hope this isn't the case.

The mechanism isn't new, level x means x affix' stat/skill/power/etc/etc.
It has always been like that.
That's why it was a bad idea to keep the game fixed at level 30 for such a long time.
SSG could have kept those numbers at the same level and come up with interesting designs/types for new content.
Instead we got powercreep first to sell new content, and then a massive redesign later on.

[Gilga1]

I'd happily trade 1000 Star Fragments for a Nebula.
Please make it happen

[Tilomere]

It has been known for a reasonably long period of time that Slavelords ingredient chests (the small ones) do not ransack. I'm not sure how long this has been a bug but I have never had a ransack since I started running it. This may no longer be a significant issue as the majority of players have already acquired their slavers sets but should be fixed for the sake of consistency with other chests.

On the other hand it feels like the drop rate of Slave master's busts must be extraordinarily low and maybe it is set this low due to the fact that the chests do not ransack and the dev's believe players should farm until their eyes bleed.

Here are some actual stats (I have kept track of every quest completion) that should be fairly accurate but they will be slight skewed by the fact that there have been a few times when I have run in a partially full group. The vast majority of my runs have been full groups and I have assumed a group size of 5. In reality the number is actually likely to be even worse than stated below.

Ingredient chests opened by quest. 95% of runs have been reaper 1+. 1-2 would be at LE and 1-2 at LH. All these runs have been performed in the last 8 months.

Slave Pits of the Undercity = 540 (6 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Secret of the Slavers' Stockade = 720 (8 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords = 540 (6 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Chain chests opened = 1800 * 5 person party = 9000.

Slave master's busts that have dropped = 2 players (One stack of 10 and one stack of 11). That is a drop rate of 0.0002%. Taking into account deviation at best it would maybe 0.001% if I have been incrediabily unlucky (and everyone I have ever run with).

Yes. In 9000+ ingredient chest openings I have seen 2 stacks of slave master's busts drop. ... In the meantime I have gotten more than 10 reaper items including a couple of reaper named items. ... I have looted 2 stacks of statuettes (and seen a total of 10 stacks drop).

Super rare is roughly 1 in 5000 as per Slave Lords Busts, with uncommonly rare Slave Lords Statuettes being 5x that at 1 in 1000. At approximately 20 chests also in a Saltmarsh loop, you are looking at approximately 250 loops through Saltmarsh to get a Nebula.

Also gives low reaper reaper affix drop rate for reaper crafting. ~12-18 items in 1800 chests is ~0.7%-1% drop rate for reaper affix per chest that can drop named items. So normal rare is 1%.

I have spent over 4,000 Astral Shards on chest re-rolls.

You're not even within a factor of 10. At 15 per reroll, 5000 chests is 3750 rerolls and 56,250 Astral Shards to "buy" a Nebula, on average.

[BlueLiger]

Whilst I was lucky enough to pull 1 Nebula Frag early on my 3rd run in the slayer area not even trying to farm it as I didn't know it was thing until I saw post about and checked by character bags. I would gladly trade it for 100 reaper points as the 'perfected' artifacts for my Barbarian are useless.

If they allowed a 4th filigree on the Charune cloak from C Hills I would say otherwise but until then, the completed frame is useless to me and if I could trade it to someone for RXP I would

[GODDEATH]

Regarding the nebula fragment when will it be added to more loot tables across the lands.
This was specifically noted as coming in the future by the Dev team and notes.
Looking forward to that day.

[BlueLiger]

Regarding the nebula fragment when will it be added to more loot tables across the lands.
This was specifically noted as coming in the future by the Dev team and notes.
Looking forward to that day.

If they do do this (if they remember what they said) I would recommend to do so when saltmarsh hits the store for DDO points.

[Oxarhamar]

Whilst I was lucky enough to pull 1 Nebula Frag early on my 3rd run in the slayer area not even trying to farm it as I didn't know it was thing until I saw post about and checked by character bags. I would gladly trade it for 100 reaper points as the 'perfected' artifacts for my Barbarian are useless.

If they allowed a 4th filigree on the Charune cloak from C Hills I would say otherwise but until then, the completed frame is useless to me and if I could trade it to someone for RXP I would

This is another issue with the thing besides the other problem of artifacts being exclusive and competitive with set artifacts

The drop rate is abysmal but it's also ignorable

[Chilldude]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

Oh, I see, just run 12 toons 7 times a week through the explorer. Gotcha. Simple as that. Sounds fun... errrr.... I mean how do I unsubscribe?

Seriously though. Dude posts a thread about the abysmal drop rate and you reply that the drop rate is... let me go back and quote you... "They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck." Ummm..... I'd say 6 weeks of 12 toons doing 7 runs and getting only 9 is EXTREMELY rare, make that STUPENDOUSLY rare. That's THREE THOUSAND chest pulls for 9. That's a .3% drop rate. To put it another way, when you open a chest there is a 99.7% chance you won't get one. I don't think you need bad luck to not pull something when you have a 99.7% chance of not pulling it. I'd say you need monumentally stellar luck to ever hope to see one without playing the game like you have a crack addiction.

[karatemack]

Have the devs weighed in on this in another thread that I missed?

It would be really nice for a dev to comment.