Cannith Crafting Discussion - Part 2

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

Will we be ale to exchange LESSER ESSENCE FOR THE NEW ESSENCE?

I know myself and many others probably have tens of thousands of lesser essence from deconning.

Even if the exchange is 100:1, PLEASE make sure we can do this.

[mikarddo]

Will we be ale to exchange LESSER ESSENCE FOR THE NEW ESSENCE?

I know myself and many others probably have tens of thousands of lesser essence from deconning.

Even if the exchange is 100:1, PLEASE make sure we can do this.

Logically, it should be 5:1 as thats the rate you get if you exchange greaters to lessers. But confirmation would be good.

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

Logically, it should be 5:1 as thats the rate you get if you exchange greaters to lessers. But confirmation would be good.

Agree completely. I'm just begging and pleading For ANY EXCHANGE at this point!

[Silverleafeon]

Logically, it should be 5:1 as thats the rate you get if you exchange greaters to lessers. But confirmation would be good.

Seems reasonable to me.

[Cordovan]

There will be an exchange of Lesser Essences to the new Cannith Essences; exact ratio to be determined. It won't be 1:1 though.

We have not yet finalized our plans for Cannith Challenge gear and rune arms, but there will be some form of Cannith crafting available to them as well.

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

There will be an exchange of Lesser Essences to the new Cannith Essences; exact ratio to be determined. It won't be 1:1 though.

We have not yet finalized our plans for Cannith Challenge gear and rune arms, but there will be some form of Cannith crafting available to them as well.

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think anybody is expecting or asking for a 1:1 lesser to new ratio. I think the consensus is a 5:1 would be best considering the current sundering ratio.

But I don't think people will complain if it is 10:1 just as long as we CAN exchange them.

[Cordovan]

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think anybody is expecting or asking for a 1:1 lesser to new ratio. I think the consensus is a 5:1 would be best considering the current sundering ratio.

But I don't think people will complain if it is 10:1 just as long as we CAN exchange them.

It'll probably be along the lines of the current ratio; just don't want to commit at this point.

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

It'll probably be along the lines of the current ratio; just don't want to commit at this point.

Cool. Thanks again!

[Zebedar]

It'll probably be along the lines of the current ratio; just don't want to commit at this point.

How about addressing the fact that your current plan will invalidate and devalue my levels and collected essences Cordovan? Ignoring the issue this way is insulting to us long time players.

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

How about addressing the fact that your current plan will invalidate and devalue my levels and collected essences Cordovan? Ignoring the issue this way is insulting to us long time players.

So you leveled up your crafting to create powerful stuff up to ML 20.

Unless I'm reading it wrong you can still create stuff up to ML 20 with your current xp.

If you were level 20 and they raise the level cap to 30, you wouldn't expect to be level 30 automatically just because you were level 20 would you?

[changelingamuck]

How about addressing the fact that your current plan will invalidate and devalue my levels and collected essences Cordovan? Ignoring the issue this way is insulting to us long time players.

What are you talking about?

It's already been addressed that there will be a trade-in for both greater and lesser essences.

As for devaluing your levels... huh? There are new levels. When the level cap was raised to 30, all of your level 28 characters weren't bumped up to level 30 automatically. You had to earn the experience.

You're really not being victimized here.

[Heynone]

How about addressing the fact that your current plan will invalidate and devalue my levels and collected essences Cordovan? Ignoring the issue this way is insulting to us long time players.

What is this guy mad about?

A fully capped crafter on the live server would be a minuscule amount away from lvl 260 of the purposed system. That seems pretty fair to me. Since this is a fairly large power spike in crafting's favor I don't think anyone expected not to have some additional grind to the new top tier.

Also the xp numbers aren't set in stone so explain calmly what you think a more fair curve might be and the devs might take that into account.

[Cordovan]

How about addressing the fact that your current plan will invalidate and devalue my levels and collected essences Cordovan? Ignoring the issue this way is insulting to us long time players.

We have been designing the system in mind with the goal of not invalidating or devaluing current crafters nor their collected essences. For example, your old levels will be converted to provide you the same basic level of benefit in the new system (although there will now be further goals to reach.) We are also making sure that essences convert fairly to our newer, simplified system. In what way do you feel that your levels and essences are being invalidated?

[ice584]

It'll probably be along the lines of the current ratio; just don't want to commit at this point.

IMO anything other than matching the greater essence-to-cannith essence ratio seems weird. Whatever you can exchange the greaters for, keep the lesser exchange at the same rate.

Cause if it's a better ratio, everyone's just going to sunder their essences before trading them in anyway. And if you make it significant, then you're basically forcing us to sunder them all which is kind of a jerk move cause it's a tedious and time-consuming process.

And if it's worse, that's just lessening the worth of all our lesser essences. If people have sundered batches of their greaters in preparations for when they would have needed them in the future, you've now reduced the worth of their inventory just because they were trying to be proactive and preparing for the future. Which sucks.

If your goal by making them different exchange rates is to reduce the amount of total essences we get on trade-in (to make things balanced with the new system), I would suggest instead to come up with a better exchange ratio overall. Then make trade-ups for both greaters and lessers at that same ratio. Like 3:2, or 5:3 or something. If that's technically difficult for some reason, maybe you could allow for trading lessers in for greaters. Then people could switch over to greaters and then trade in for cannith at your new rate.

TLDR: Keep the lesser and greater trade-up ratios the same.

[lostgunman]

This question has been asked a bunch, if I have all three schools maxed at level 150, where will that put me in the new crafting system? And did I read correctly that there will be "new" collectible stuff for the upper crafting levels? (aka: Epic?)

And what about our current crafted surplus shards? What do we do with them?

[ValariusK]

There will be an exchange of Lesser Essences to the new Cannith Essences; exact ratio to be determined. It won't be 1:1 though.

We have not yet finalized our plans for Cannith Challenge gear and rune arms, but there will be some form of Cannith crafting available to them as well.

Here's my suggestion for Cannith challenge gear and rune arms. Allow them to take shards as if a ML X item (where X is determined by the item in question, the old cannith items I suggest 5), and add X-2 to the ML of the underlying item (to reflect that MC was pretty much always used). Fairly easy and pretty close to the existing status quo.

[ThomasHunter]

We have not yet finalized our plans for Cannith Challenge gear and rune arms, but there will be some form of Cannith crafting available to them as well.

This has me pretty excited. The old system was fairly obtuse (imho) and it always made me too nervous to do stuff with my RA's. This new system seems much more fun and I am already feeling confident that I can craft onto my RA's!

Thanks Devs!

[alancarp]

There will be an exchange of Lesser Essences to the new Cannith Essences; exact ratio to be determined. It won't be 1:1 though.

That was going to be one of my questions for sure - thank you. Whether it ends up 3:1/5:1/10:1... I don't really care, but the lesser essence drops from item deconstruction has always been way too high with greater essences getting the short shrift... so yeah, there's a bunch of them around.

Other requests:

> I'd like it if every reward chest dropped 1+ of the new Cannith essences, just as coins are universally dropped. I'm think this would serve to encourage new crafters at the very least. Collectibles will already be a limiting factor; no need to add essence availability as well.

> One of my other concerns is already addressed... there will be no need for converting essences, so adding the 'bulk conversion' feature to those dialog boxes is now unnecessary.

Looks very encouraging.

[cdbd3rd]

Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think anybody is expecting or asking for a 1:1 lesser to new ratio. I think the consensus is a 5:1 would be best considering the current sundering ratio.

But I don't think people will complain if it is 10:1 just as long as we CAN exchange them.

As this is a system change, I absolutely believe the exchange rate for Lessers should be equal [relatively] to the Greaters, 5:1. No less, no more. No one should be penalized during a system change.

It's good seeing where those of us with currently capped CC crafters will fall on the XP chart.

My questions:

1) Are there still no plans to make a trade-in of some sort for Shards of Potential? We dumped a LOT of essences into making those in the leveling process. I am aware now that there was a buggy issue with Vials, but those were for low level Shards and probably not that big of an issue.

2) {I should probably go review the original thread on this one, but since I'm already typing...} Current crafted shards. Not utilized in the future, of course, but will they be deconnable in the new thing? I'm thinking of how many Shards I have tucked away on umpteen alts all over the place...

Beyond that, I'm still sitting with the 'wait-and-see' folks.