Old Mabar stuff

[Propane]

5 Dev comments in at least 2 Mabar threads yet no explanation of why they chose to throw away our hard earned materials and time. They made the wrong choice for their customers and don't seem to care one iota about it. For me, at this point its more about the response (or lack there of) then the mats. I won't be spending money in game for quite some time as a consequence. Clearly they have no idea how much time players invested in Mabar.

1st thought... duping....

[cdbd3rd]

Yes, you can get rid of the old Mabar ingredients if you wish. None of the ingredients will be used in the future. ...

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Somebody up the chain of command is making a poor decision not putting in some sort of conversion for the old mats.

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Unless there is actually an issue regarding...

... duping....

[Sunnie]

I'm still keeping my Motes of Night, out of pure nostalgia.

[standard_deviation]

Cordovan,

You guys absolutely need to give us some sort of conversion for old Mabar materials. We're not the ones who caused the problems with the old event. We ARE the ones who put time into grinding it out anyway, held onto our old ingredients for 2 years and counting, in the hopes we could one day complete the work we'd started on old Mabar items. The old events were cut short with little to no warning, promised to be fixed for more than a year, then promised to be replaced. And now you're tossing our old work completely out.

This is honestly a huge slap in the face to loyal customers. Don't do it.

[Razor_Wit]

Duping was not exclusive to mabar mats, so they should not be exclusively removed for that reason. If duping is a main reason then again....Turbine is punishing everyone for a few rotten apples.

[Cordovan]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

[Qhualor]

Brand new event replacing old event.

Brand new ingredients replacing old ingredients.

Sorry, I don't see the issue here.

[standard_deviation]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

I'm so thrilled to know that you place more emphasis on the impact of cheaters than on the efforts of legitimate players.

[Augon]

Yes, you can get rid of the old Mabar ingredients if you wish. None of the ingredients will be used in the future. We aren't automatically deleting them from the game as we know some folks like to save these things for archival purposes.

I never ran mabar so its a mute issue for me, but I know a lot of folks invested a great deal of time and dealt with a great deal of frustration collecting mabar ingredients. I think it would be a nice gesture for Turbine to provide a way to trade those in for something like remnants so at least there is some gain for all that effort.

[Augon]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

Didn't see this post before posting my comment. I may not have refreshed before hitting "Reply".

But since most players didn't dupe, why not offer a turn in that has a limit per account?

[JOTMON]

Yes, you can get rid of the old Mabar ingredients if you wish. None of the ingredients will be used in the future. We aren't automatically deleting them from the game as we know some folks like to save these things for archival purposes.

So now I am penalized for hoarding and saving my ingredients, congrats Turbine, you have screwed me for not exploiting.

You know what they say. screw me over once shame on you, screw me over twice .. fu.

[Mryal]

Brand new event replacing old event.

Brand new ingredients replacing old ingredients.

Sorry, I don't see the issue here.

Exactly.This discussion is pointless.You cant tell who did and who didnt duplicate items, i know i didnt, and im well willing to give up my own mats just to see those people getting f**** up.

Wont the event have new items anyway? that is my understanding, wich is another reason to not allow old ingredints.

[Earthbound Misfit]

But since most players didn't dupe, why not offer a turn in that has a limit per account?

seems like a reasonable idea ... something like the birthday box, A one off trade, all your mabar stuff for one 'nice' stuff. don't matter if you have one or a million motes. even a cake is sweeter than a kick in the ... erm ... pants

[Zzevel]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

So if we bought motes from the ASAH during the last event, or in preparation for the next event or in error during the mimic event (because they were called motes and used the same pic) can we expect to be refunded because you decided to make a change? I'm sure you have some sort of log on what is bought and sold on the ASAH. Why if you knew they were being duped the WHY did you allow them to be sold to the rest of us? Can we put in a ticket for a refund? You took your 30% cut why should Turbine profit when the rest of us get the bone?

Brand new event replacing old event.
Brand new ingredients replacing old ingredients.
Sorry, I don't see the issue here.

Then it better be "Brand new" Rewards replacing the old Rewards as the items I have should be able to buy what was available...

[jakeelala]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

I dont understand. A number of people (like me) have saved and hoarded legitimate ingredients from an almost unplayable Mabar for years.

What about all of us? Who cares if some people duped them. Just make them bound to account and then that very small minority of players who duped them can't ruin anything for anyone.

Not that it would ruin anything for anyone anyway, but it's still a better solution than the one you guys seem to be taking right now.

[FestusHood]

since I am one of those who don't turn in everything, let me try and explain why.

I have had, for example, roughly 16k (!) unused greenshards from the cove event, and then they released new items for it, like the endless flask of rum, the rune arm etc.

that 16k stack quickly vanished, and I had to farm cove several more times before I had everything I needed.
that is not to say I have everything I *will* need from there, just everything I needed at the time.

new items may be released, or I may roll new toons, and I may not have time next time around to farm the event. so when an event is up, I farm all I can, use what I need, and save the rest for later. (even if there's no clear idea yet of what that 'later' use may be)

this is done with the understanding that events are not a one time thing, and that there will be a "next time".
so right now, just like I have banked a new stack of another ~15k greenshards, I also have plenty of mabar thingies, especially since there's long been talk about updating the mabar loot.

terminating the event without allowing some sort of conversion panel is, IMO, inconsiderate to say the least.

at the very least they should include an option to turn in old ingredients for old items.

I guess i just don't assume automatically that events will be back. They probably will be, but i'm never sure. I also have about 20k cove dragonshards, and i keep them just in case they will ever be useful. If they were useful, i would have already turned them in.

I still have some cards leftover from the last mimic event. Will that be back? I dunno. If it never comes back i won't lose any sleep over it. I also farm the risia ice games a lot when it's open. I get lots of number 5 recipes. At the end of every session, i have 0 of them left. I like selling them, but when the event winds down i just end up selling them off dirt cheap. That turned out to be a good decision, since dupers made them worthless during the last run of the event.

The mabar event ended early, but not without notice. Given the problems it was having, yes, i turned in everything i could before it ended, not knowing if it would be back or not. I still have a couple of ingredients from it, but i don't care. If somebody didn't have enough ingredients left to get an item, then i'm sorry but they didn't waste that much time. If somebody is really getting this upset about two hours that they "wasted" running an event from two years ago, they need to move on.

[Razor_Wit]

Exactly.This discussion is pointless.You cant tell who did and who didnt duplicate items, i know i didnt, and im well willing to give up my own mats just to see those people getting f**** up.

Wont the event have new items anyway? that is my understanding, wich is another reason to not allow old ingredints.

Brand new event replacing old event.

Brand new ingredients replacing old ingredients.

Sorry, I don't see the issue here.

Sounds like you both had time to finish your items you worked hard on. Congratulations. I didn't. I worked hard getting them. It makes me angry they're throwing away my time and effort because they think mats are all duped. If Turbine was a forum community member they would be in violation of guidelines for such a position.

[Zzevel]

So you bought motes with astral shards in-order to hoard them for a year for the next mabar event? Forgive me if I don't believe you.

Believe me if you want or not, my purchase records should hold up fine, but thanks for the personal attack.

[FestusHood]

I dont understand. A number of people (like me) have saved and hoarded legitimate ingredients from an almost unplayable Mabar for years.

What about all of us? Who cares if some people duped them. Just make them bound to account and then that very small minority of players who duped them can't ruin anything for anyone.

Not that it would ruin anything for anyone anyway, but it's still a better solution than the one you guys seem to be taking right now.

So you played Mabar, got a bunch of ingredients, and didn't turn them in. Then next year, you play mabar again, and don't turn the ingredients in. Why is it important now that you turn them in when it wasn't before?

[HAL]

I am just shaking my head in wonder at all the misplaced vitriol against Turbine because they won't be allowing us to use up Mabar ingredients. That's like being mad at the Police for closing off a camp site because some criminals are hiding there. "But I'm on vacation and I was planning to stay at this camp site! Stupid Police!"

Let's put the anger firmly where it belongs: on the dupers.