Old Mabar stuff

[Gljosh]

Ok, could Joe Lantern arrived for 1 weekend and allow people to cash in old Mabar stuff to get the old Mabar Stuff?

What I don't want is a different event with the same items.

Give me a reason (unique loot, augments, etc) to participate in the event.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Ok, could Joe Lantern arrived for 1 weekend and allow people to cash in old Mabar stuff to get the old Mabar Stuff?

What I don't want is a different event with the same items.

Give me a reason (unique loot, augments, etc) to participate in the event.

because it is there.

[Cleanincubus]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

So punish the majority, instead of punishing the small minority? If you know for a fact they were duplicated in large quantities, then ban the dupers and delete all of their stuff. Then make all old Mabar ingredients BTA. They've already had their names and descriptions changed, so clearly they can be specifically targeted to make the BTA change. Making them BTA not enough of a change? Make them BTC, as long as the items ingredients they are turned in for are BTA or unbound.

Cheaters didn't ruin this experience for others, Turbine is doing that by making this decision. Cheaters who duplicated items have no effect on me, until Turbine takes it out on me (and everyone else,) rather than spending the time to solely take it out of those who deserve it. I could not care any less about what other people do in this game. I played the event, saved my ingredients (because the last event was shut down prematurely,) and earned them legitimately. I should not be punished because Turbine can't come up with a better and more fair way of dealing with this situation.

[LT218]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

Exactly.This discussion is pointless.You cant tell who did and who didnt duplicate items, i know i didnt, and im well willing to give up my own mats just to see those people getting f**** up.

This does zero to "punish" the cheaters. The cheaters got everything they wanted from the original Mabar event long ago specifically because they cheated. The legit players are the ones who still wanted stuff from Mabar and end up not having another opportunity at special items.

If the concern is preventing cheaters with stockpiled ingredients from selling them, make the existing ingredients BTA. Doing that and making the ingredients and rewards from the new event BTA, would allow Turbine to implement a trade-in system that allows non-cheating players to at least get something from the the time they invested on the previous Mabar event. Sure, the cheaters could trade in theirs, too, but if the rewards from the new event are BTA, it would have minimal impact on the experience for legit players.

Another option would be to ban the cheaters who were duplicating the ingredients. Granted, that is most likely no longer feasible due to the duration the cheating was allowed to happen before action was taken and the age of the incidents at this point.

The cheaters did not make the choice that "ruined it for others", Turbine did. Cheaters can and most definitely have impacted other players experience with their actions, but they are not the ones making this particular decision. There were multiple options on how to handle this problem and Turbine chose the one that added insult on top of the past injury that the cheaters caused to the legitimate players. Given the alternatives, it appears that Turbine is more concerned with sticking it to the cheaters than they are with rewarding the work legitimate players put into past events.

[Razor_Wit]

I am just shaking my head in wonder at all the misplaced vitriol against Turbine because they won't be allowing us to use up Mabar ingredients. That's like being mad at the Police for closing off a camp site because some criminals are hiding there. "But I'm on vacation and I was planning to stay at this camp site! Stupid Police!"

Let's put the anger firmly where it belongs: on the dupers.

Umm, because it's not relevant to you? You finished your items? You never participated in it to begin with?
I worked hard to earn my stuff and I have 2 worthless spectral dragon scales and a half-finished docent.
I also know that it cost Turbine nothing. In fact they had to do more work to deprecate the old mats.
They were worried about dupers? Why? So the dupers get their event items first! I don't care about the other stuff dupers do and I don't care about what they "might" do.

[Augon]

I am just shaking my head in wonder at all the misplaced vitriol against Turbine because they won't be allowing us to use up Mabar ingredients. That's like being mad at the Police for closing off a camp site because some criminals are hiding there. "But I'm on vacation and I was planning to stay at this camp site! Stupid Police!"

Let's put the anger firmly where it belongs: on the dupers.

As I said before, I don't really care. I have no Mabar ingredients that I know of. I didn't like the Mabar event so never took part in it.

But, your analogy is WAY off. It isn't like that at all. It is more like some thieves broke into the bank and stole a bunch of money so the government decided that ALL money was now worthless and they are going to print new money. Anyone with the old money needs to throw it away or frame it, whichever you prefer. But you cannot use it for purchases.

[Augon]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

I am just shaking my head in wonder at all the misplaced vitriol against Turbine because they won't be allowing us to use up Mabar ingredients. That's like being mad at the Police for closing off a camp site because some criminals are hiding there. "But I'm on vacation and I was planning to stay at this camp site! Stupid Police!"

Let's put the anger firmly where it belongs: on the dupers.

BTW: Do not make the mistake of thinking this somehow hurts the Dupers. They got their stuff for free. So throwing away what they have left is no big deal. They are laughing at and mocking the poor unfortunate honest folks who worked to get their stuff.

I am angry at the cheaters. There is no doubt. And while it is the cheaters who are responsible for their cheating, it is Turbine who made the decision that the honest players are to pay for the cheating. I understand where that is coming from. I would be torn on this if I was the decision maker at Turbine too. You don't want to make cheating worth the effort if it can be avoided. But, like I said above, I doubt this action is hurting anyone who cheated.

In any case, it is what it is. And we move on. Curious about the next event.

[FestusHood]

As I said before, I don't really care. I have no Mabar ingredients that I know of. I didn't like the Mabar event so never took part in it.

But, your analogy is WAY off. It isn't like that at all. It is more like some thieves broke into the bank and stole a bunch of money so the government decided that ALL money was now worthless and they are going to print new money. Anyone with the old money needs to throw it away or frame it, whichever you prefer. But you cannot use it for purchases.

That isn't quite right either. Money is expected and intended to have enduring value, and you can spend it at any time. These are limited time events from the start, so they would be more like a sale. If somebody can't or won't take advantage of a sale now, can they rightfully complain if the sale isn't repeated?

Expansion bundles are on sale right now. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are deferring until Thanksgiving, when historically the expansion bundles have been available for even bigger discounts. What will happen if the expansions don't go on sale this Thanksgiving? There is no guarantee that they will, it is just expected to follow the previous pattern. It's speculating, and sometimes that doesn't work out.

[auntjobiska]

One of the things I find the most aggravating about this situation is the way the Turbine representatives have strung their customers along about the whole old Mabar thing v the 'replacement event', about the ingredients that you maybe ought not to throw away (see Cordovan's quote earlier in the thread), about how you could get the old Mabar items from the new replacement event (the mimic event which allowed you to get random items depending on how the cards fell, not working towards what you needed). And now - hey, guess what? Throw that trash away! Why string people along and get their hopes up, just to trash them like this? The longer it went on...the worse it has become and the more angry people feel about their treatment as customers.

And yes, I know, we all agreed to the Terms and Conditions about how the company can do what they want with or money and our in game rewards etc...and it is only a game...and if I am so aggrieved why don't I just stop playing and so on and so forth.

Shame.

AJ

[Razor_Wit]

That isn't quite right either. Money is expected and intended to have enduring value, and you can spend it at any time. These are limited time events from the start, so they would be more like a sale. If somebody can't or won't take advantage of a sale now, can they rightfully complain if the sale isn't repeated?

Expansion bundles are on sale right now. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are deferring until Thanksgiving, when historically the expansion bundles have been available for even bigger discounts. What will happen if the expansions don't go on sale this Thanksgiving? There is no guarantee that they will, it is just expected to follow the previous pattern. It's speculating, and sometimes that doesn't work out.

I don't consider them limited time, and I don't think Turbine does either. Perhaps intermittent is a good word. Mabar would STILL be here, 5 years later if they had got it right. Just like:

Risia Ice Games (2010-
Crystal Cove (2011-
Festival of the Traveler (2010-
Festivult (2006-

[slarden]

We are unable to offer a trade-in for your old Motes due to them being duplicated in very large quantities by a relatively small number of players, combined with their ability to be freely traded. It is always disappointing and unfortunate when cheaters ruin the experience of others, but this is one of those times, we are sorry to say.

While I agree cheaters ruined the experience, I blame Turbine most of all for lack of proper action.

Turbine knew about duping and had recreatable steps and could have stopped this nonsense before it was out of control but chose not to.

Legitimately earned ingredients are going to waste for one reason - Turbine ignored and even deleted posts on lamannia and ignored specific steps on how to recreate the duplicating when the problem could have been controlled. Why wasn't this dealt with before the product was released?

i will accept losing legitimately earned ingredients for the greater good, but Turbine please never knowingly release a version with exploits again - hold up the release next time.

[Gljosh]

because it is there.

Well I did not "farm" or "grind" during the Mimic Abomination.

I barely ran Cove, I just needed to finish off my Rum Flask. A total of two runs.

I have no reason to Run Risia, beyond selling the motes from the skating in Eveningstar.

So if I have the options of getting, XP, Favor, quest loot, or "new" Mabar for the same stuff I (hat have no use for).

[Nonesuch2008]

The Mabar replacement event uses completely different ingredients.

for the players that hoarded years (this started in 2010) of ingredients from events( legit.. I could care less about what some dupers did in 2014, I only care about my stuff), Its the wait and see game..
I get the impression we are going to be screwed over by them, but not trashing my ingredients until Cordovan says so.. and will probably earn a coupe infraction points in the process..

I am with you 100% & am definitely not 'feeling the love' atm.

[Nonesuch2008]

I can understand if somebody got caught unaware when the last Mabar event ended early, and they didn't have a chance to cash in their ingredients. What i don't understand is why somebody would intentionally not turn them in when the event is active to save them for the next time. I generally turn in everything i can at the end of any festival, and if there is stuff left over that isn't worth turning in, i'm not too concerned about it.

Yes, it does happen to me with every festival. Working guaranteed overtime every week plus being on-call 24x7 means I don't always get to plan my play time, and I am sure that others are in the same boat too.

[Nonesuch2008]

~snip~
terminating the event without allowing some sort of conversion panel is, IMO, inconsiderate to say the least.

at the very least they should include an option to turn in old ingredients for old items.

I would re-state that we went along with the closure willingly due to the ongoing lag issues & concerns over the duping, but we did so with the promise that Mabar would be fixed & return again some day. It is no coincidence that so many honest players have held onto their mat's for this long, we did it because we were given the expectation that they could be of value again some day.

[Nonesuch2008]

When the Mimic event debuted we were given the chance to get old Mabar items from trading in the new mimic motes during the Mimic event. This was touted as your opportunity to hustle and get some of the old Mabar items.

~snip~

No offense to anyone intended, but if you wanted old Mabar items you were given that opportunity with the Mimic event

Respectfully, that trade-in mechanism was totally different and it did not provide a means to, for example, take an existing lvl 16 cloak and make it into a lvl 20. The Mimic Festival was a substitute method for obtaining Mabar gear, but it was not a true upgrade or conversion method.

[Nonesuch2008]

5 Dev comments in at least 2 Mabar threads yet no explanation of why they chose to throw away our hard earned materials and time. They made the wrong choice for their customers and don't seem to care one iota about it. For me, at this point its more about the response (or lack there of) then the mats. I won't be spending money in game for quite some time as a consequence. Clearly they have no idea how much time players invested in Mabar.

I feel your pain on this & am inclined to share in most of these feelings.

[Nonesuch2008]

reiteration of previous forum posts i have made..... i was at the vender cashing in my ligit earned mats 10000 + motes and other mats had my wand in the vender to get its last upgrade and i am now stuck with one +11 and one +9 mabar wand ...... and now the only way to get the +11 is to fnd the right cards in an event that happened once that was a combo of (failed?) two events with stinkin mimics every were (managed to get my cloacks for one toon woot lol) when in reality i lost two weeks of sleep for nothing!

love this game have been playing since i found it like 4 years ago and will keep playing regardless of this..... BUT for gods sake let me do SOMEthing with all these mats besides trash them or save them to link to future players as "hey look at this remenant of a time we all got screwed cuz of laggggggggg" please and thank you in advance

Once again, a very fair and legitimate request, and one that has been echoed in at least 5 threads that I can think of.

[Nonesuch2008]

.02

Somebody up the chain of command is making a poor decision not putting in some sort of conversion for the old mats.

/.02


Unless there is actually an issue regarding...

Bind them if that is what it takes, or come up with a different trading method!

[Nonesuch2008]

Cordovan,

You guys absolutely need to give us some sort of conversion for old Mabar materials. We're not the ones who caused the problems with the old event. We ARE the ones who put time into grinding it out anyway, held onto our old ingredients for 2 years and counting, in the hopes we could one day complete the work we'd started on old Mabar items. The old events were cut short with little to no warning, promised to be fixed for more than a year, then promised to be replaced. And now you're tossing our old work completely out.

This is honestly a huge slap in the face to loyal customers. Don't do it.

A thousand times over, THIS!