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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post

    It was a nice lottery style give-away, and of course, a small subset of players had to try to figure out a way to take advantage.
    You say that like it's a bad thing. I think it's great that players try to break the system, especially while it's still on the preview server so there is potentially time to fix it before it goes live. In an ideal situation, Turbine would have thought about all the little things one could do to break it, but as long as someone finds the issues before they go live, we can't say Turbine wasn't warned about it. The "subset of players" could have kept their mouths shut and just worked the system after it went live, but they are speaking out about it now. This is a good thing for the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    What's more reasonable:
    1) Turbine knew that this would happen and was okay with it since it will (at least temporarily) make their numbers look better (exactly like their yellow cube giveaway "refer 3 friends" giveaway)
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    B) Turbine is constantly surprised by the things that happen over and over again.

    I'm not going to claim that I know the inner minds of the development team, but it seems reasonable to me that they're not COMPLETELY stupid and that they make these decisions knowing what's going to happen at least when it's *this* obvious.
    I would agree. I meant no offense and am not calling the devs idiots. It is very possible that Turbine was hoping people were going to do this to inflate the amount of accounts that they are “active”.

    I certainly do not have insider information, but this is turning out to be very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    What's more reasonable:
    1) Turbine knew that this would happen and was okay with it since it will (at least temporarily) make their numbers look better (exactly like their yellow cube giveaway "refer 3 friends" giveaway)
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    B) Turbine is constantly surprised by the things that happen over and over again.

    I'm not going to claim that I know the inner minds of the development team, but it seems reasonable to me that they're not COMPLETELY stupid and that they make these decisions knowing what's going to happen at least when it's *this* obvious.
    You would think that but for some people the obvious is hard.......really really hard........so much for the human species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar View Post
    which basically will get you to lvl 4, see how that works. its about 2 hours.
    Right...and so it's 2 hours of effort. Some people are dedicated and will level many accounts just for the cards...and they would still be playing by the rules.
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    I'm not too concerned about people creating 22 dummy accounts to exploit the trading cards. What worries me more is people creating 23 dummy accounts to exploit the trading cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrOctothorpe View Post
    1. The anniversary gift box will be ML 4, meaning it can't be opened before that level
    2. You only get one per account
    3. All the items that aren't cards will be Bound to Account
    I'm glad that there is at least some "effort" needed, else the "22 account" scenario may happen... OR as it's been stated earlier, one can hire a third party to create many, many accounts and then the cards can be collected and sold--flooding the market and again ruining the economy. A dedicated person can still create and level up multiple accounts, but that effort may balance any abuse potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    I'm not going to claim that I know the inner minds of the development team, but it seems reasonable to me that they're not COMPLETELY stupid and that they make these decisions knowing what's going to happen at least when it's *this* obvious.
    It is actually completely plausible that a gainfully employed person may not understand the benefit of a scheme that involves tormenting yourself for several hours with a completely dull and boring task for something that has a virtual value of five bucks.

    They may not see the scheme as sophisticated when a twelve year old with a push mower can make twice the profit in a single hour. Don't kid yourself, Turbine is changing things to make the whining noise stop, cut down on the over-the-top melodramatics and prevent people use their birthday present to inflict self loathing and suffering upon themselves.

    Sure, you can spend several hours managing twenty to forty accounts, but for what gain? The highest rewards are worth no more than ten bucks.
    Meanwhile, minimum wage in most states is more than 8 bucks (+50% overtime), 12 bucks.
    Average hourly wage in the US, 20.90 bucks.
    Mowing a lawn for an hour: 15 to 20 bucks.
    So where again is the vastly superior benefit of juggling dozens of accounts for a free item Turbine was supposed to see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    What's more reasonable:
    1) Turbine knew that this would happen and was okay with it since it will (at least temporarily) make their numbers look better (exactly like their yellow cube giveaway "refer 3 friends" giveaway)
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    B) Turbine is constantly surprised by the things that happen over and over again.

    I'm not going to claim that I know the inner minds of the development team, but it seems reasonable to me that they're not COMPLETELY stupid and that they make these decisions knowing what's going to happen at least when it's *this* obvious.
    or C) It was a low-priority one time PR gimmick that interrupted more important work and didn't get a whole lot of crosscheck time compared to The List.

    Doesn't take idiocy. (Well, on the part of the implementer.) Just overwork and overreach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    It is actually completely plausible that a gainfully employed person may not understand the benefit of a scheme that involves tormenting yourself for several hours with a completely dull and boring task for something that has a virtual value of five bucks.
    Not someone who is gainfully employed by an MMO company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    I do know, and so do you... They turned off the cards as soon as they realized what people were doing, and they changed the rules.

    It's very obvious to anyone with a lick of common sense what they intended...

    It was a nice lottery style give-away, and of course, a small subset of players had to try to figure out a way to take advantage.

    It's the same every time, right down to certain people claiming "Oh we couldn't possibly have known what the devs were thinking! How can you possibly know they didn't want us to dupe these items, or sell 10,000 of these rods for free plat, or create 500 throw-away ftp accounts with a script! How could anyone possibly know?"
    In this case, who cares if people create tens of accounts just to get a silly prize? Seriously, if that's what people want to do with their time - make all kinds of new email accounts, new turbine accounts, then roll characters - more power to them.

    I can't imagine anyone doing that - what a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnubisPrime View Post
    Right...and so it's 2 hours of effort. Some people are dedicated and will level many accounts just for the cards...and they would still be playing by the rules.
    It does matter a lot though, because making some kind of script to add extra accounts and make a character on them is one thing - it might be automated - but leveling them up to lvl 4 makes that far harder, if not impossible to most who would want to take advantage. So now this works for those who have their long standing alternate accounts, and it works for those that go in, make an account and play it - at that moment for Turbine, there is not much difference from them playing other characters really - but it gets too much bother to do just for this card game to get out of hand big scale. I think its a good step. And making them BtA means no more mailing between characters and accounts (that was a reported bug - a way you could make almost infinite rolls)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Well at least the clowns will have to work a little bit but not much it doesn't take long to hit 4 but at least it is something. I do have to say I am disappointed that is one per account and not server as I do play on multiple servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    You would think that but for some people the obvious is hard.......really really hard........so much for the human species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    It is actually completely plausible that a gainfully employed person may not understand the benefit of a scheme that involves tormenting yourself for several hours with a completely dull and boring task for something that has a virtual value of five bucks.

    They may not see the scheme as sophisticated when a twelve year old with a push mower can make twice the profit in a single hour. Don't kid yourself, Turbine is changing things to make the whining noise stop, cut down on the over-the-top melodramatics and prevent people use their birthday present to inflict self loathing and suffering upon themselves.

    Sure, you can spend several hours managing twenty to forty accounts, but for what gain? The highest rewards are worth no more than ten bucks.
    Meanwhile, minimum wage in most states is more than 8 bucks (+50% overtime), 12 bucks.
    Average hourly wage in the US, 20.90 bucks.
    Mowing a lawn for an hour: 15 to 20 bucks.
    So where again is the vastly superior benefit of juggling dozens of accounts for a free item Turbine was supposed to see?

    Your dreaming if you think the average wage is 20 bucks haven't you seen the unemployment rate and the fight for min wage?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Your dreaming if you think the average wage is 20 bucks haven't you seen the unemployment rate and the fight for min wage?
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t19.htm

    So about right.

    I haven't checked but I imagine those numbers are average hourly wage for people that are actually employed. (I also don't know if it includes wages for things like CEO's which could skew the number high.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrOctothorpe View Post
    Oh - in fact it is per account per server. Sorry for this misleading truncation.
    PLEASE tell me there are talks or plans about scrapping the whole trading card idea. As it is, it's definitely nowhere near the trouble of giving to people in the game due to excess inventory consumption and technical issues. I would rather have a regular birthday cake than a crappy trading card thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightgf View Post
    PLEASE tell me there are talks or plans about scrapping the whole trading card idea. As it is, it's definitely nowhere near the trouble of giving to people in the game due to excess inventory consumption and technical issues. I would rather have a regular birthday cake than a crappy trading card thing.
    Not me. I couldn't care less about some bogus cake that grants the same lame rewards. Assuming it works at all. Bring on the trading cards!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightgf View Post
    PLEASE tell me there are talks or plans about scrapping the whole trading card idea. As it is, it's definitely nowhere near the trouble of giving to people in the game due to excess inventory consumption and technical issues. I would rather have a regular birthday cake than a crappy trading card thing.
    Turbine probably got this idea from Steam having the game related trading cards where you can sell on Steam for Steam bucks.

    IMHO, rather than spending time to create 22 dummy accounts and level them all up to L4, I would rather get a full time 6+ figure job and work for one hour; more productivity and efficiency that way... 100,000 after tax $ per year/2000hr per year = 50$/hr = 1 Ottos Box/hr ~= 3000+ Astral Shards/hr ... wonder if you can make that many shards in 1 hour with this approach...

    Of course, you can use that $50/hr to hire 10 offshore contractors creating 220 dummy accounts and level them all up to 4 for 1 hour...
    more productive though if you can inspire those 10 offshore contractors to do your regular work instead of creating 22 dummy accounts.

    I still like the cake thing, but its getting bland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krelar View Post
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t19.htm

    So about right.

    I haven't checked but I imagine those numbers are average hourly wage for people that are actually employed. (I also don't know if it includes wages for things like CEO's which could skew the number high.)
    It includes people who make millions a year so it skews rather badly since most people aren't even earning half that. I think I do pretty good but I don't make over 25.00 an hour until you add in my shift diff than I do make a little more than that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    It includes people who make millions a year so it skews rather badly since most people aren't even earning half that. I think I do pretty good but I don't make over 25.00 an hour until you add in my shift diff than I do make a little more than that.
    Uska is correct about this. The average income for US workers is $40,563 (2012), but the median income for US workers is $26,989. For income, median is a much more appropriate number because of the radical skew that extreme incomes put on the mean (average) value.
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