Health Necklace of Death

[Kheledon]

I normally keep health (CON) on a belt. However, after the latest Crystal Cove, I decided to get Magi + Spot hats for my arcane casters. That meant health had to go someplace else--either a necklace, a ring, or a specialized item like Dragontouched Armor--becuase I used to keep fortification in the hat slot (Minos Legens), and now it would have to move to the belt slot. I decided that the cheapest place to put this essential attribute was in the necklace slot. The problem was that I was also keeping haggling as a switch-out item in the necklace slot, and now I die--a lot.

One of the nicer changes in the latest update is that temporary or bonus hit points from a health item go back up to full if you switch out and then switch back. Let's say you have a toon with 30 base hit points and a ring of lesser false life that brings the total up to 35. In the old days, if you took off the belt, your hit points would drop down to 30, but putting the belt back on would not automatically increase your hit points to 35. Healing magic or normal regeneration could do it, but just putting the belt back on would not. Now, putting the item back on automatically gives the toon all the hit points that the item was previously bestowing. That's a nice change.

What I have also discovered is that now, if you take the item off when the item is giving you more hit points than you have at the time, you will become unconscious or die ... no matter where you are.

I have a new wizard who is wearing a +4 Health Necklace that is giving him 20 hit points. If, for example, he has 7 h.p. and takes off the item, he will drop to -13 and die, as he did, here, on his guildship.



And again, here, when he had 9 h.p.



He likes to put his haggle item on in the tavern to repair his stuff after an adventuring death. Whoops! Guess he had 5 h.p. when he took off the health necklace.



This time he once again had 5 h.p., but this time I also had the combat tab open to see what was happening. This was the first time that I figured out that taking off the necklace was the cause.



It can happen in other public areas too--not just taverns. Here's a death in House P, showing specifically that removing the health necklace was the cause of death.



I don't know whether this is a bug or not, and I don't know if it has been reported before or not, but it is definitely annoying. Obviously, I need to go back to keeping protection in my necklace slot and move health to another place.

[bilbojr]

Last I checked nothing including haggle affect repair costs.. I could be wrong... will check again.
If so there is no need to swap for repair, so no extra deaths.

[Kheledon]

bilbojr, thanks for the reply. I think you're right, and I just noticed today, for the first time, that haggle does not affect repair costs. Of course, immediately after I repair, I often buy a drink or some food, and then ... blam! I would put the haggle item on and have the same problem.

I want to know whether this is a bug or whether it's intentional. I am guessing the former.

[EllisDee37]

You could get a Nightforge Gorget and go back to your health belts.

[Kheledon]

You could get a Nightforge Gorget and go back to your health belts.

Yes, I considered that, but at higher levels I like a Proof against Poison Belt of Heavy Fort. or a Disease Immunity Belt of Heavy Fort. When they come out with a Nightforge Gorget that has proof against poison or disease immunity, I will not have any issue with this bug. I'll just avoid the problem, as you suggest.

Thanks for the response.

[Jubbers]

This is working as intended. You loose the con your max and current HP drop just like with barbarian rage.

It's in line with the 3.5 rule book (kinda a source, a little) but has been that way as long as I have been playing... move your haggle item to a better slot or be full HP before you swap out con

[Kheledon]

This is working as intended. You loose the con your max and current HP drop just like with barbarian rage.

It's in line with the 3.5 rule book (kinda a source, a little) but has been that way as long as I have been playing... move your haggle item to a better slot or be full HP before you swap out con

Well, it may be working as intended, or it may not be. That's what I would like to know.

Honestly, I never had this problem until 2 days ago after completing my first House C Challenge. Perhaps I have encountered a bug related to that. I would like to hear from the developers on this, however.

Edit to add:

Besides, it's completely unrealistic and ridiculous to die from taking off a necklace. That's just plain silly, and that's why I think it's a bug.

[Diyon]

It's not silly to die from taking off the only thing that was keeping you alive.

BTW, if you take off a false life item and put it back on, you don't gain back that HP. This only happens from CON changes, I just tested this to be sure.

[Kheledon]

It's not silly to die from taking off the only thing that was keeping you alive.

BTW, if you take off a false life item and put it back on, you don't gain back that HP. This only happens from CON changes, I just tested this to be sure.

Cool. I seem to remember false life items working as I described above. I did not test, obviously, to see whether they still do. Glad you did.

But have CON items always worked this way? It just seems odd to me that I have never encountered this issue before.

And I still think it's silly to drop dead in a bar because you took off a necklace.

[Feather_of_Sun]

It has always worked this way, and it's intended.

Every even-numbered increment of constitution increases your constitution modifier by 1.

One of the things that determines your maximum hit point total is your constitution modifier. Specifically, you gain total hit points equal to your constitution modifier multiplied by your total character level.

Thus, when your constitution modifier increases, your current and maximum hit points are increased by that difference in your constitution modifier multiplied by your level.

When your constitution modifier decreases, your current and maximum hit points are decreased by that difference in your constitution modifier multiplied by your level.

If your hit points drop below 0, you are incapacitated and begin to bleed out.

If your hit points fall to -10 or lower, you are dead.

This is a basic mechanic of the game, and not a bug.

[Kheledon]

It has always worked this way, and it's intended.

Every even-numbered increment of constitution increases your constitution modifier by 1.

One of the things that determines your maximum hit point total is your constitution modifier. Specifically, you gain total hit points equal to your constitution modifier multiplied by your total character level.

Thus, when your constitution modifier increases, your current and maximum hit points are increased by that difference in your constitution modifier multiplied by your level.

When your constitution modifier decreases, your current and maximum hit points are decreased by that difference in your constitution modifier multiplied by your level.

If your hit points drop below 0, you are incapacitated and begin to bleed out.

If your hit points fall to -10 or lower, you are dead.

This is a basic mechanic of the game, and not a bug.

Thank you for the response. Odd that I have never encountered this before, but it's comforting (in a way) to know this is not a bug.

Edit to add:

You would think that the baddies would take away your magically-generated hit points first and leave you with the natural, life-preserving ones, but evidently there are some pretty smart baddies out there. btw, my players would laugh me out of the game if I used this particular mechanic as a DM. You may wish to re-think it.

Regards,

Kheledon.

[Impaqt]

Get an alternate haggle item.

Purchase some extra tavern rations and use those.

[Jaid314]

as was pointed out, that's actually how you're supposed to handle it in 3.5 D&D. it even goes so far as to explicitly tell you as much in the barbarian rage rules as i recall.

[Phemt81]

Every even-numbered increment of constitution increases your constitution modifier by 1.

If your hit points drop below 0, you are incapacitated and begin to bleed out.

He means 1 per level.

The second statement is partially uncorrect: in D&D it's true, but in DDO you are incapacitated even at 0 HP. In the pen & paper version you were in a different status where doing anything but move or heal would cause you to start bleeding (= losing 1 HP and going negative health).

(My reference is 3.0 ed. since i never played newer versions)

[Impaqt]

Thank you for the response. Odd that I have never encountered this before, but it's comforting (in a way) to know this is not a bug.

Edit to add:

You would think that the baddies would take away your magically-generated hit points first and leave you with the natural, life-preserving ones, but evidently there are some pretty smart baddies out there. btw, my players would laugh me out of the game if I used this particular mechanic as a DM. You may wish to re-think it.

Regards,

Kheledon.

They do. If you have temp hit points when you base hit points are low, it's because you gained them after you took damage.

[der_kluge]

Never play permadeath.... just saying....

[Feather_of_Sun]

The second statement is partially uncorrect: in D&D it's true, but in DDO you are incapacitated even at 0 HP. In the pen & paper version you were in a different status where doing anything but move or heal would cause you to start bleeding (= losing 1 HP and going negative health).

(My reference is 3.0 ed. since i never played newer versions)

Indeed, I should have stated "If your hit points drop to 0" rather than "below 0".

While we're at it, however, you appear to have meant "incorrect" where you stated "uncorrect". To "uncorrect" would be to undo a correction.

[ainmosni]

Indeed, I should have stated "If your hit points drop to 0" rather than "below 0".

While we're at it, however, you appear to have meant "incorrect" where you stated "uncorrect". To "uncorrect" would be to undo a correction.

from ddo community guidelines:

no-no

Flaming another user for their spelling or grammar

http://www.ddo.com/community/1059-dd...ity-guidelines

[ainmosni]

also, father of sun is exactly correct, this is WAI and has always worked like this.

[Stermlin]

You should totally use the command /death count to see how many times you have died.