Raids Hate Me

[SynnMG]

Ok, I think ever since my mistakes in the previous VoD I have been exiled from certain Raids.

Shroud = I get in fine
Reavers = Fine
Hound = If Piker's Elite, Fine (as a puller of course). Haven't done original method on Little yet.
VoN = Fine
Titan = Haven't done it with Little yet
Chrono = Little can't try eChrono yet, other than that fine.
DQ = Only ran once with friends
Abbot = The reason I made this thread.
VoD = The Other reason I made this thread.

First I want to speak about VoD:
I have finally gotten a chance to redeem myself today in a VoD run. It was on Hard, and guess what... I didn't die with my 301 HP. I didn't pull aggro off tank, and there was only 1 death [Bard who shall not be named]. The only mistakes I made this time was I got incapped twice (first time during vorpalling trash and I incapped half a sec before mass heal, and second time was because I forgot to drink a curse pot). I don't want to get another annoying warning for statin names, but if the two healers (cleric and FvS) are reading this then please put your 2 cents forward.

Second is Abbot:
I apparently keep getting silently rejected (always through group full) and today I get rejected twice again when attempting to join. The second time, I tell the party leader:

(Tell): You tell [NO NAME], 'If you're not going to accept me, at least spend the time to give me a reason why.'

and their reason was for having 300 HP. I am annoyed because of the fact I am not normally front line and they had at least 3 divine casters in their group. I say divine casters instead of healers because there were 2 WF FvS that could have been DR builds. I have taken Toughness twice, all my toughness enhancements, and am a drow. I am still working on taps for a Minos. What more do you want for me to get my freakin HP past 301?!

[NaturalHazard]

are you a rogue? elf drow? do you have toughness feat? +6 con item, greater false life? draconic vitality? what was you starting con? If you can use it madstone boots are awesome for upping hp and dps, but you cant really self heal.

you mentioned vorpaling stuff so im assuming your a melee?

300 hp is prob not going to cut it in a lot of content esp if your a melee.

Had a 300 hp monk join a EDA and he died several times, no fault of the healer. He actually told us in the entrance about what his hp was, we still took him, and completed fine, though he spent half the quest dead, recovering from death effects. The people in the party gave him some helpful advice about gear ect to up his hp, and to come on the forums to look for advice on monk builds as none of us plays monks.

[Aranticus]

what level and what class are you? even if you are a drow wiz, 300 points can be passed if you put effort into equipping and proper build

L20 20x4 = 80 base
draconic = 20
heroic = 10
assume 12 con +6 item +2 tome = 20: 5x20 = 100
toughness feat 3+1x19 = 22
toughness enh = 20
minos = 20
shroud tier 3 = 45
gfl item = 30

total = 347

there are a lot more ways to increase your hp, ie higher tomes, higher con items, rage spells, sfl item, etc

[Aranticus]

any new player reading this please note the OP's experience. i've given advice in the past on stuff on how to build characters, what preparation is required, etc so that one can have a fun time in game

i'm not elitist when i tell you that you built your character poorly or that you need better equipment etc. i'm coming from the pov that your overall gaming experience can be improved and incidents such as this can be eliminated. way too many people try to insist with me that they can survive on a 6 con sorc or 12 str fighter. in raids and epics, only one thing truely counts... other's perception of you

and no, i'm not elitist

[NinjaNeed]

301 hit points, ok, what class?

Can you post your toons name and server please, also a list of your feats would be cool.

That way people can actually try to help you!

I was in a Shroud last night with a fighter, lv17, with only 366hp. Something is wrong there! My lv17 fighter has over 500hp. I asked him why his health was so low and he tried arguing his health was fine, he got blacklisted by 5 guilds on that run (so they said).

Bad builds are ok aslong as you except advice from those that know better than you!

[Aranticus]

Bad builds are ok aslong as you except advice from those that know better than you!

bad builds are ok as long as

1. people are willing to let you tag along
2. you do not mind the consequence of playing such a build

[Mithran]

The problem with the Abbot Raid (it's been a problem with the raid since its inception) is that if anyone makes an error outside Asteroids, it's a raid wipe. As a consequence, your reputation has to be pretty well-established to be accepted into an Abbot pug. Frankly, most veterans would rather wait for a full crew of experienced people than fail it.

My point in saying this is that you shouldn't take it personally when you're not accepted for an Abbot raid. Even with things working well, raids in there can wipe and the segment of the population that's ever welcomed in most Abbot raids is increasingly small.

[CaptainCameo]

I'm sorry, but everything that everyone seems to be saying in this thread is bull. There are people who are doing epics with less than 250 hp out there and they're not having any difficulty at all.
I'm about to tell everyone the secret to making it in ddo.
Ready?

The secret is...

Location.

Location, location, location.
Where is the enemy? Where are your allies? Where are you standing? Where is the enemy facing? Are they able to hit you from there? Are you able to hit them from there? Which way is the best to approach? How about while all the meat shields rush in, I sneak around to the back and punch/stab/slice away at their tendons?

You don't always just stand in the middle of the group while orthons great cleave your ass and blame the cleric for not keeping you alive. I don't care if you have 1000hp, if you're stupid enough to walk into the spike trap in the middle of VoD chasing after mobs, I'm glad your dead.

Guess how much hp I had when I did my first epic?
Give up?
275
That's it. I did over 30 raids before I got to epics too. I got real good at staying out of the enemies range and attacking their blind spots. Even now, when I have almost 400 hp I'm still doing it and I haven't died in my last 25 raids. I'm even working on an intim tank now and I still use the same strategy to position enemies so they have their backs to everyone.
Complain about the build being junk as much as you want, but in the end, it comes down to strategy. Plain and simple.

[unknownturok]

I'm sorry, but everything that everyone seems to be saying in this thread is bull. There are people who are doing epics with less than 250 hp out there and they're not having any difficulty at all.
I'm about to tell everyone the secret to making it in ddo.
Ready?

The secret is...

Location.

Location, location, location.
Where is the enemy? Where are your allies? Where are you standing? Where is the enemy facing? Are they able to hit you from there? Are you able to hit them from there? Which way is the best to approach? How about while all the meat shields rush in, I sneak around to the back and punch/stab/slice away at their tendons?

You don't always just stand in the middle of the group while orthons great cleave your ass and blame the cleric for not keeping you alive. I don't care if you have 1000hp, if you're stupid enough to walk into the spike trap in the middle of VoD chasing after mobs, I'm glad your dead.

Guess how much hp I had when I did my first epic?
Give up?
275
That's it. I did over 30 raids before I got to epics too. I got real good at staying out of the enemies range and attacking their blind spots. Even now, when I have almost 400 hp I'm still doing it and I haven't died in my last 25 raids. I'm even working on an intim tank now and I still use the same strategy to position enemies so they have their backs to everyone.
Complain about the build being junk as much as you want, but in the end, it comes down to strategy. Plain and simple.

have you not done shroud in 25 raids
i agree with every thing you say

[CaptainCameo]

have you not done shroud in 25 raids
i agree with every thing you say

Did the shroud not count?

[MsEricka]

It doesn't matter what class or race you are, it's possible for ANY class/race to easily hit 425HP. There's no excuse for having less than 400.

301? You need to LR, TR or reroll.

I am still working on taps for a Minos.

And if you're trying to do raids and you don't have heavy fort, then for god's sake stop trying to get into raids and get some heavy fort!

What more do you want for me to get my freakin HP past 301?!

CON is not a dump stat. You dumped it. That's your fault. Now fix it.

[unknownturok]

Did the shroud not count?

it counts

[Astraghal]

The asteroids in Accursed Ascension hit for 200 so you really want to have 400+ HP.

[Aranticus]

I'm sorry, but everything that everyone seems to be saying in this thread is bull. There are people who are doing epics with less than 250 hp out there and they're not having any difficulty at all.
I'm about to tell everyone the secret to making it in ddo.

no one is saying these cannot be done with low hp. if you know how to position yourself that well and is contributing a lot to the party, you are an useful member. but sometimes, sxxx happens and you get in the way of a hit which kills you. a high hp is a buffer for these kind of situations. it allows players to have a greater margin of error

have you ever had the opportunity to hold tod boss agro, after the main tank died, and rolled a 1 on a disintegrate? let me know how you feel about your new 400 hp again when that happens. not dying on a raid is dependant on several other factors other than your 275 hp. you could be running with superb healers, the raids were all done smoothly, the difficulty the raid is on, the buffs you had, what tactics are employed by party members, etc. to say that 275 hp is fine without considering external factors is irresponsible

the difference between a good character and a bad character is the level of redunancy. like in modern military equipment, most are never found without redundant critical equipment. regardless of how good your pilot, captain or driver is, there are plently of "oh sxxx" situations. a good character is one that has high survival and contribution even in the hands on a less experienced player

[CaptainCameo]

It doesn't matter what class or race you are, it's possible for ANY class/race to easily hit 425HP. There's no excuse for having less than 400.

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301? You need to LR, TR or reroll.

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And if you're trying to do raids and you don't have heavy fort, then for god's sake stop trying to get into raids and get some heavy fort!

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CON is not a dump stat. You dumped it. That's your fault. Now fix it.

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Well first, minos isn't the only thing with heavy fort. Second, if he dumped Con, he'd have a lot less than 300hp.
3rd, you have absolutely no love in your post which tells me that you are one of those people who need others to be perfect or you can't pull off a win. Shame you want him to fix his short comings so you can pike. tsk tsk.

Here OP. Have some ice cream.

[CaptainCameo]

no one is saying these cannot be done with low hp. if you know how to position yourself that well and is contributing a lot to the party, you are an useful member. but sometimes, sxxx happens and you get in the way of a hit which kills you. a high hp is a buffer for these kind of situations. it allows players to have a greater margin of error

have you ever had the opportunity to hold tod boss agro, after the main tank died, and rolled a 1 on a disintegrate? let me know how you feel about your new 400 hp again when that happens. not dying on a raid is dependant on several other factors other than your 275 hp. you could be running with superb healers, the raids were all done smoothly, the difficulty the raid is on, the buffs you had, what tactics are employed by party members, etc. to say that 275 hp is fine without considering external factors is irresponsible

the difference between a good character and a bad character is the level of redunancy. like in modern military equipment, most are never found without redundant critical equipment. regardless of how good your pilot, captain or driver is, there are plently of "oh sxxx" situations. a good character is one that has high survival and contribution even in the hands on a less experienced player

This is a much better reason than anyone else has given. Get more hp for those OH SXXX moments. very nice.

[mademan77]

Oh Littlespoon,you have to get those hps up mate. I'll mail you a greater false life belt tommorow. Also get those taps for the minos, if you can get to 400 then grab a pair of Madstones for some additional con you might be able to salvage that squishy drow aa ranger.

People tend to remember those that perform badly in raids, people that perform badly and talk constantly throughout raids tend to get noticed even more. Further more, people that perform badly come on the forums and start treads about how they are mistreated and wronged draw even more negative attention to themselves A couple bad runs, a couple forum posts and people get a talkin and it takes no time at all to get blacklisted.

For instance, i ran a Vod today with a sorc who used up her entire spell bar casting polar rays instead of healing the wf tank which he/she was assigned to do. That person went on to try and lead a Von5/6. It didn't go well. I didn't go on that run but much later in the afternoon i ran 3 epics with people that all ran that raid. Each group had different people in it that knew the individual(sorc) from that one raid and casually commented on it. That negative performance put that one character's name out there to at least a dozen people. Those doz talk to a doz more and next thing you know everyone thats currently active in the game knows you, for better or worst. Just saying.

[Ytteri]

OP, I checked out your char, Here's what you could do:

Upgrade to a +6 con belt
Drop the necklace of venom and replace with a wis necklace
Drop the wis ring and get an IFL or GFL ring (I'll assume IFL)
Finish getting Taps for Minos ASAP.

(I can't see what enhancements you have on your dragontouched, but I'm assuming it's not GFL, Con +6 or the elemental HP enhancement dealies)

You'll get another +19 from the belt, +10 from the ring and +20 for Minos over what you have, ending at 350. Once you reach level 20, you'll be at 364 which isn't great but it's respectable, just tell people your greensteel is under construction. If you're still getting rejected too much you should consider a greensteel for another +45 ending at 409; 419 if you manage to score a GFL instead of IFL.

While it's true that HP isn't EVERYTHING, you can't prove yourself to people if they won't let you in in the firstplace, and to many people that 400 hp mark is the determining factor.

As a side note, doesn't the ring of the buccaneer give +dex? Why are you wearing +dex gloves?

[Aranticus]

Well first, minos isn't the only thing with heavy fort. Second, if he dumped Con, he'd have a lot less than 300hp.
3rd, you have absolutely no love in your post which tells me that you are one of those people who need others to be perfect or you can't pull off a win. Shame you want him to fix his short comings so you can pike. tsk tsk.

Here OP. Have some ice cream.

the truth is there are a lot of situations that would require an almost perfect setting to complete it. abbot, hound on elite are but some of them. there are also other events ie speed shroud record that requires a perfect flow. its not the fault of someone who values speedy successful completions to look for other players of similar mindset. i have mentioned these years ago and its still happening now

players have to acknowledge which category of players they belong to. casual players need to step up when they join a group of powergamers. similarly, powergamers need to relax when they join a group of casuals. as far as i know, if things have not changed from 7 mths ago, abbot is still pretty much a closed door event

[Solmage]

3rd, you have absolutely no love in your post which tells me that you are one of those people who need others to be perfect or you can't pull off a win. Shame you want him to fix his short comings so you can pike. tsk tsk.

Here OP. Have some ice cream.

Actually, it sounds to me like he's one of those people who will not tolerate pikers and others who think they're 'just fine' with their 250 hps and that 'they don't need DR breakers on normal' and they are 'contributing just fine' - all the while getting 3 kills and doing less dps than even the wizard, while swearing 'I NEVER die in this quest, this was lag and such a fluke!'