Shroud Epic

[Shade]

What would you do for non melees who decide to run Epic Shroud?
The weapons look nice froma melee POV, but I'd assume healer's and some Arcane's aren't going to be interested in ultimate melee weapons.

Improve Concordant Opposition? Gear that allows them (yet) higher DC's? More SP's?
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Well base upgrades would apply as well. You wouldn't only get tier4 specials.

So tier4 caster weapon could be:
Base: Except +1, Exceptional Cha +2 (Concordant op)
Tier4: Exceptional Cha +4 (total +7 stackable charisma)
Epic Concordant Oposition.
Procrate doubles (8%, and provides double the spell points and temporary hitpoints as normal)

Could also modifier the lower tiers, as Epic weapons can have different properties. Especially ther tier2 specials (clickies)
Since caster nuking is leaning towards temporary effects for massive spell damage boost, some clickies should be change into epic damage boosts:
IE:
Fire2,
old = Delayed Blast fireball (Who cares)
new = Ultra Inferno IX, 3 per day.
Duration: 3 minuit
Effect: +105% damage to fire spells.

There could even be new tier4 combos, which combine old double shard bonuses, into new quad shard abilities.

Caster Example: Double Epic shards in Tier4, Combining a Epic Concordant op gem with an existing triple air (air guard item)
= Air of Oposition, Whenever you are struck by lightning damage, you have a 10% chance of regenerating 1000 spellpoints. This effect can only proc once per rest.
Melee Example:
Triple Fire Weapon combined with a Epic Magma Surge Shard:
Epic Inferno:
This weapon holds incredible firey power. Each time it deals damage, it has a small chance (0.5%) to invoke a devastating inferno!
Inferno is similar to the Black Abbots, engulfing the entire area (massive AOE) in a firey inferno. 500 fire damage every 1 second for 20 seconds. Also inposes a -50% runspeed and attack speed debuff on enemies, and prevents enemy spell casters from casting.
Monsters that are otherwise immune to curses are immune to this effect (all purple named, some red name). This effect can only proc once per rest.

[die]

quote"New Lieutenant A)
The Mistress of Pain (CR44 Epic Succibi Queen of Shavarath)"

i only have 4 monster manuals.. hehe and dnd has so many books.. are you talking about a" demon succubus ".. or a "devil Erinyes" the later would make more sense i think . thier are no demons in the shroud

[Shade]

quote"New Lieutenant A)
The Mistress of Pain (CR44 Epic Succibi Queen of Shavarath)"

i only have 4 monster manuals.. hehe and dnd has so many books.. are you talking about a" demon succubus ".. or a "devil Erinyes" the later would make more sense i think . thier are no demons in the shroud

Well she is a monster that already exists in the game files. So whatever the devs had in mind. She's meant to a 2nd optional boss in the tower of despair ,but was never finished. Even if she was a demon, I bet she could simply trick the devils into thinking shes one of them.. Perhaps a spy for the demon army fighting Sharavaths devils. But she still doesn't like you coming in raiding the shroud heh.

Reference to her:
http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Quest:Tower_of_Despair

[die]

Well she is a monster that already exists in the game files. So whatever the devs had in mind. She's meant to a 2nd optional boss in the tower of despair ,but was never finished.

Reference to her:
http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Quest:Tower_of_Despair

ty .. i can tellyou put alot of work into this thread nice job

[maddmatt70]

I would most definitely randomize the order of the phases except for the last one so you do not know what is next. I would also add a penalty box back to part 2. A big change though is part 4 that one needs to be changed - why does Harry sit in the middle of the arena like a big stuffed animal I would change the AI so he charges the clerics and he flies too.

[Shade]

Added new bonus idea with guild house item.

[LunaCee]

20 Drow with max CHA
25 +5 levelups
29 +4 CHA tome
36 +7 CHA item
39 +3 Exceptional CHA
42 +3 CHA Enhancements
43 +1 Litany
45 +2 Yugo Pot

And you are calling for Shroud part three section to have DC 46 Runes?
Sorcerors would be unable to meet that. Even as a maxxed out Drow!
Wizards would only be able to meet it via either Yugo Pot or Lich Form WITH capstone learned as a Drow.
As we know EITHER of those is just asking for an oh kill me now!
I'd say a 40 check would be far more palatable. 46 is flat out beyond reason.
Otherwise you are doing to casters what those Epic Von5 traps did to rogues. And we *really* don't want that.
Pigeonholing a certain race for a class is really bad form.

[Sweyn]

20 Drow with max CHA
25 +5 levelups
29 +4 CHA tome
36 +7 CHA item
39 +3 Exceptional CHA
42 +3 CHA Enhancements
43 +1 Litany
45 +2 Yugo Pot

And you are calling for Shroud part three section to have DC 46 Runes?
Sorcerors would be unable to meet that. Even as a maxxed out Drow!
Wizards would only be able to meet it via either Yugo Pot or Lich Form WITH capstone learned as a Drow.
As we know EITHER of those is just asking for an oh kill me now!
I'd say a 40 check would be far more palatable. 46 is flat out beyond reason.
Otherwise you are doing to casters what those Epic Von5 traps did to rogues. And we *really* don't want that.
Pigeonholing a certain race for a class is really bad form.

20 Drow with max CHA
25 +5 levelups
29 +4 CHA tome
36 +7 CHA item
39 +3 Exceptional CHA
42 +3 CHA Enhancements
43 +1 Litany
45 +2 Yugo Pot
48 +3 House D pot
50 +2 Store pot
52 +2 Completionist
54 +2 Bard capstone

Epic raid's are for the Best of the Best, it says that when you click epic. I'm sure the best casters on the server will be able to achieve 46...

Plus, hitting the runes isn't even needed to complete the quest, it's just to get out of the puzzle

[LunaCee]

1. WF Sorc will have 4 less CHA than a Drow because their max at level one is 16
2. The moment store pots become mandatory for something the game loses a LOT of people.
3. The moment completionist actually gets figured into difficulty 99% of the players will cuss Turbine out soundly for justified reasons. The fast majority will NEVER grind out that feat.
4. Bard Capstone only applies to bards, sorc isn't going to be able to get that capstone bonus to CHA.
5. Even with the House D pot a WF sorc can only achieve a max of 44 without resorting to real money or insane massive grind.

[Sweyn]

1. WF Sorc will have 4 less CHA than a Drow because their max at level one is 16
2. The moment store pots become mandatory for something the game loses a LOT of people.
3. The moment completionist actually gets figured into difficulty 99% of the players will cuss Turbine out soundly for justified reasons. The fast majority will NEVER grind out that feat.
4. Bard Capstone only applies to bards, sorc isn't going to be able to get that capstone bonus to CHA.
5. Even with the House D pot a WF sorc can only achieve a max of 44 without resorting to real money or insane massive grind.

Again, hitting the runes is NOT required to complete the quest... The way around it is to know the puzzle.

I spelled out the CHA breakdown, because you were incorrect by saying that a drow sorc is unable to reach 46.

[spartin]

for a truley epic shade approved shroud wouldnt it have to include something like:
anyone trying to enter the quest that isnt a barb or barb healer (clr, fvs, bard, wiz, sorc) is teleported to sunny side korthos and booted from the group.

[LunaCee]

And if that player is one of those that despises puzzles and is playing say a WF sorc? What then...
If you don't allow wiggle room the vast majority will look at it and just say **** it and it will be practically impossible to get said content run.

If you haven't been able to get that +4 tome yet... if you don't use litany because your character is Good and doesn't want to deal with a negative level. If you don't have enough favor for or access to Yugo pots because it a Premium player that DOES NOT OWN AMRATH!

No wiggle room = Not getting run. Its not that hard to understand.

[lugoman]

Phase 1:

C) Make it tough. It's epic, its for the best of the best. The spawn speed should be incredibly fast. Only the most powerful group fully equiped with tier4 epic GS weapons should have a chance at killing their way thru.

I see a problem if you need epic gs to finish pt 1 if you cant make epic gs until you complete epic shroud. You have given Turbine a new idea - infinite loop grinding!

[Angelus_dead]

I hope they're not doing epic Shroud for at least a few years.

The last thing this game needs content-wise is to send players BACK into the Shroud... unless it were changed so much it felt like a whole different place... and in that case, they may as well just make a new quest instead.

PS. It was announced that the epic shroud itemed leaked in the compendium mean almost nothing.

[Sweyn]

And if that player is one of those that despises puzzles and is playing say a WF sorc? What then...
If you don't allow wiggle room the vast majority will look at it and just say **** it and it will be practically impossible to get said content run.

If you haven't been able to get that +4 tome yet... if you don't use litany because your character is Good and doesn't want to deal with a negative level. If you don't have enough favor for or access to Yugo pots because it a Premium player that DOES NOT OWN AMRATH!

No wiggle room = Not getting run. Its not that hard to understand.

Dude it's called normal. Ya know.. when shroud comes out everyone isn't gonna be forced to run epic. You should not run epic shroud if you don't know how to solve puzzles, or simply get a solver from the internet, there are a bunch out there

[kaelis]

Wow. This is so munchkinized that I almost want to ask if he's serious. Sadly I know he is.


Regardless; the some of the part 1 changes i like, as to everything else, no. It's so ridiculous and pathetically ANTI-DND/DDO that it's sad.

[LunaCee]

Oh lets see, I have done the shroud... a fair bit of it. I even do the puzzles. However if you don't make allowances for others... well. There *will* be issues.

Epic should be for well geared characters with excellent game knowledge. If they *have* to be perfectly outfitted to run the content anyways... why are they running it in the first place? Obviously at that point they have everything anyways. /sarcasm

And if all content is balanced against the top fraction of a percent of the player base... a huge chunk of said players not in that group are going to be very vocal on the forums about the injustice of it all.

Again balancing content to be SOLELY for the so called "Best of the Best of the Best" is self defeating for a game company. That group will power through it anyways and be clamoring for additional content in very short order. Everyone else will be cursing up a storm and calling the Dev's names for being stupid enough to make content too difficult for them to complete.

Which group en-mass is worth more financially? Its the reason why some people are always complaining it isn't difficult enough.

[Nezichiend]

Explain to me how hard it is to open a solver, put in your puzzle and press "solve" and doing it. I have no idea why people need to be let of rooms at ALL. I even put it in MyDDO Links so I can access it in-game without having to Alt+Tab, I just hit Alt+M and there ya go.

[Therilith]

Give her an unresistable charm ability that lasts 3 minuits. It's impossible to remove and has no recurring saves, but she can only have it active on 2 people at a time, and only works on male characters. So the strategy would be to send the females after her =)

Only if Epic Gula can charm females. Bow Chicka Bow Wow!

[D-molisher]

When they add epic Shroud.
I will mostlikely only use my fighter types for it, definately not my cle or my fvs or caster.
Takes way too much , for like nothing.
I run it on hard and well rarely get my frigging large devilscales, so well epic = waiste of resources on caster or healer.