Comrades, why are raids called raids?

[Captain_Wizbang]

for the love of god, stop calling me comrade.

/signed
/signed
/signed

[Captain_Wizbang]

Your use of the term comrades is an
EPIC FAIL!

[sigtrent]

The idea of a raid, in the sense used today started in Everquest 1. I'm not certain if the players coined it for the big monster challenges as another poster mentions, or if it was something the game termed for larger party groups

I don't recall if everquest even had formal group mechanics when it first came out, you could generally heal or attack anything freely and loot was a first grab first get kind of affair. Wild west of MMO action much like UO.

But so far as I can tell UO didn't have raids in the same sense. There were folks that did raids on other players, as in a group of people attacking and stealing stuff. But it wasn't a game mechanic.

Raid just means you are gathering a team to go kill things and take their stuff, but in EQ it came to mean a large effort of that type and the name stuck and became formalized as a mechanic in many later MMO games.

There you go Comrade, enjoy.

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Okay, not that I don't agree about the strangeness of the continual repetitiveness of vettkinn's posting style...

But am I understanding correctly that you think that "comrade" isn't an English word?
Now now, my little droogies...
Seriously, homes.

Most of the Nadsat words used in Anthony Burgess' classic novel A Clockwork Orange are lifted from the russian language. The name itself comes from the Russian suffix equivalent of -'teen' (-надцать)
'Droog' is Russian друг 'close friend'.

You really couldnt ahve picked a better word to "prove" your point. Sorry man.

[lutherl]

Sort of:
In DDO, the "standard" group is 6 characters. The idea of a raid group is that up to 12 characters can group up to enter a more challenging area. Later on, it was added that they that don't scale based on amount in the party and you can't use certain items from the store. Entering a raid doesn't mean you have a chance for "elite", binding items as the first example of a raid is Tempest Spine which had no end named items.

I am only answering this for what others posted in this thread as your posts are getting to be a bit "taxing". You made a single thread where you were going to ask all these questions that could be found out just by searching places such as the DDOWiki Glossary.


If you were more in character as a D&D role player, I think people would be more inclined to provide help.

Doing the passive aggressive act isn't helping you out.

I'm talking about the old days. Before there were "raid groups". Before there were raid channels (had /shout and /ooc taken over by raids more than once). There weren't (before the addition of Kunark) specific challenging areas meant for more than one group.

In fact, the first kill of Rag or Vox (can't remember which was first. Thinking it was Lady V), there wasn't any loot. Devs didn't expect anyone to actually succeed in killing it (yet). The devs didn't expect anyone to get 24 (because of lag, that's all you could really be effective with in one area, and even then clerics had to face the wall so they didn't get heal-lag on the main tank) players together to kill one mob.

[FauxSho]

Most of the Nadsat words used in Anthony Burgess' classic novel A Clockwork Orange are lifted from the russian language. The name itself comes from the Russian suffix equivalent of -'teen' (-надцать)
'Droog' is Russian друг 'close friend'.

You really couldnt ahve picked a better word to "prove" your point. Sorry man.

My word choice was intentional.
And I didn't have a point to prove... I was confused by the statement I quoted, so I asked for clarification. I still don't really understand what sephiroth meant by "in another language."

However, I don't agree that the sentence structures that vettkinn uses are altogether extinct in the English language, buddy.

[arminius]

There have been many months of "comrade" posts, but this one is getting a lot of resistance, with objections to "comrade" taking up half the thread or more.

I wonder what current event in the United States could be prompting this spike in resentment to a word most often associated with Communism. I wonder.

[lutherl]

There have been many months of "comrade" posts, but this one is getting a lot of resistance, with objections to "comrade" taking up half the thread or more.

I wonder what current event in the United States could be prompting this spike in resentment to a word most often associated with Communism. I wonder.

Heh. I don't disagree with you, but this won't end well.

[SableShadow]

"I'm not your buddy, guy."
"I'm not your guy, friend."
"I'm not your friend, buddy."

Flappy heads, as far as the eye can see...

[Newtons_Apple]

Friend, because using friend that many times in a sentence isn't all that special either, friend. We just have a way of assuming that and carrying on our message, friend.

Lol. Well said, friend.

[Captain_Wizbang]

"I'm not your buddy, guy."
"I'm not your guy, friend."
"I'm not your friend, buddy."

Flappy heads, as far as the eye can see...

/signed

[Superspeed_Hi5]

My word choice was intentional.
And I didn't have a point to prove... I was confused by the statement I quoted, so I asked for clarification. I still don't really understand what sephiroth meant by "in another language."

However, I don't agree that the sentence structures that vettkinn uses are altogether extinct in the English language, buddy.

Gotcha - well good choice of words then. I am still wracking my brain trying to remember the russian word that Horrorshow came out of in Nadsat. Its been years since I studied Russian and I wasnt very good at it then either.

[FauxSho]

Gotcha - well good choice of words then. I am still wracking my brain trying to remember the russian word that Horrorshow came out of in Nadsat. Its been years since I studied Russian and I wasnt very good at it then either.

Khorosho (хорошо), meaning "good" according to Wiki.

You're better positioned than I, actually, since I never studied a non-romance language. But then I married a native speaker of slovak languages, so at least I can now sound out cyrillic for a few of them.

[Hellllboy]

Hmmm...tough crowd. :/

[sephiroth1084]

Okay, not that I don't agree about the strangeness of the continual repetitiveness of vettkinn's posting style...

But am I understanding correctly that you think that "comrade" isn't an English word?
Now now, my little droogies...
Seriously, homes.

Okay, I should have said especially when it sounds Russian. Especially when said by someone named Vettkinn.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

There have been many months of "comrade" posts, but this one is getting a lot of resistance, with objections to "comrade" taking up half the thread or more.

I wonder what current event in the United States could be prompting this spike in resentment to a word most often associated with Communism. I wonder.

No, there were much stronger reactions to his initial use of it. It just got resparked in this discussion. Personally I just think it makes him look silly.

[oberon131313]

I find the comrade thing amusing, and the people that get bent out of shape even more so.

[sigtrent]

(because of lag, that's all you could really be effective with in one area, and even then clerics had to face the wall so they didn't get heal-lag on the main tank) players together to kill one mob.

I remember in SWG I often had to play staring at the ground to reduce lag issues on my system. I called it using the force since you had to navigate with only the map... of course EQ didn't have a map so that was much harder...

I remember my first day in EQ when it first launched... I fell in a well and couldn't get out... had to re-roll since I had no idea there were GMs or the like. It was a wild time just figuring out how to play a game like that.

[Fomori]

I believe the first multi-group zones was the planes in Everquest from the Planes of Power expansion.

The description was that you were "raiding the Gods planes" since you were doing a hostile incursion into their home territory. Since then any zone that required multiple groups, and featured mobs and bosses that were much more difficult to defeat, are usually called "raids" in copying the features of these planes.

[MrWizard]

and if adding vetkinn to my ignore list would have saved me from stupid comrade refences, NO his stupid threads with comrade titles still highlight in my timeline.

I personally think it is kinda cool that he does that. His forum title should be comrade.
Livens up the usual 'i hate this and that post'


If I had a choice between having someone say 'friend' or comrade versus why 'I am so uber and you all bite' and i hate ddo and 'paiz this and that' and anger / whargarbbl / hate / butterfly johnson, etc....

I gotta go with comrade....

nominate vetk for forum name 'DDO Comrade'