The Plane of Spammerwrath

[Kaish]

The problem with plat farmers can be easily overcome (i think) Here is my ideas (i know, some of them are already been discussed... but still)

1. The easy ''making it impossible to send tell if you are on a trial account''. Some players seem to confuse new players with trial account players. While in fact, those are 2 different things. The new player is a paying player. Therefor, he can send tells. The trial account is someone who do not pay. Therefore, should not be allowed to send tells. If you are on a trial account, you know that you have limited access to stuff. Just like when you are using a freeware version of a software. If you want more options, pay for the whole thing. The reason is that the plat farmers are using trial account to send their tells (spamming), so if the get banned, there is nothing much to loose.

2. There must be a way to see if an item is duplicated. I really dont see how someone can collect 20 dragons scales at such a rapid rate without some way of cheating. I've been on dragon raid many times, and only got 1 scales. But on the auction house (the paradise for plat farmers) you see them like if they were dropping like +1 arrows. Plus, it should be possible to investigate the account who are sending all that stuff. I mean, im pretty sure its all come from a few accounts... strange things...

3. Also, the plat farmer will delete the spammer character to avoid getting caught, then create a new character and start sending tells again. I played Ultima Online for 3 years.. and they found an easy way to overcome this. in UO, you cant delete a newly created character right away. You need to wait 8 days. Maybe 8 days is a little bit long when you try a new build, but the players are use to this in UO, and may I remember those who dont know, that UO exist for 10 years now... and it is still going on, so it did not hurt the game at all.

4. The controversial thing now... players should be banned if caught buying from plat farmers. The thing is.. if the plat farmers exist, it is because, players are buying from them. But if the players stop buying, cause they dont want to be banned, then the plat farmers goes away...How to do that? I dont know.. but still.. maybe there is a way to monitor large amount of plat changing hands and stuff... and see what is going on.

[ahpook]

I'm going to take my time to read through your post to make sure i can understand the loads of information in it.

Don't be too hard on Tarrant. I doubt he/she was the marketing genius who put a stop to the posting of useful information on the forum. At least there is am indication that they are still working against the spammers. Thanks Tarrant.

[The_Phenx]

When Mod 8 is released, we will be changing a few details behind the scenes of DDO. What details, you ask? Details to deal with spam! This change should help with a lot of the spam messages you all are currently receiving.

Woot I say...WOOT!!!

[The_Phenx]

I'm going to take my time to read through your post to make sure i can understand the loads of information in it.

If I were them I wouldn't put any information out either. Why let the spammers know what they are going to do before they do it.

Ninja Spam Attack FTW!

[FoxOne]

Don't be too hard on Tarrant. I doubt he/she was the marketing genius who put a stop to the posting of useful information on the forum. At least there is am indication that they are still working against the spammers. Thanks Tarrant.

But is that really the best they could come up with after a 6 month silence and 12 pages of suggestions?I'm continuously disappointed.

[The_Phenx]

But is that really the best they could come up with after a 6 month silence and 12 pages of suggestions?I'm continuously disappointed.

Look up one post... see more reasons and motivations that your dissapointment good sir. Learn to read between... or in this case... behind the lines.

[ahpook]

But is that really the best they could come up with after a 6 month silence and 12 pages of suggestions?I'm continuously disappointed.

I just went back and read the preceedeing posts and someone named foxOne was pleading simply to know IF something was being done. So perhaps Tarrants post was simply to answer that posters query. If you don't like the response perhaps you should complain about the poster of that question.


Oh yeah

[FoxOne]

I just went back and read the preceedeing posts and someone named foxOne was pleading simply to know IF something was being done. So perhaps Tarrants post was simply to answer that posters query. If you don't like the response perhaps you should complain about the poster of that question.


Oh yeah

right.So something should be coming soon (tm) is what you guys want as answers...ok then.wow,no one knew that answer was coming.It still doesn't say they are doing anything at all,do you still believe it took 6 months to come up with that?and you do realize it's only because of persistent people we got an answer at all if you call that an answer?

[The_Phenx]

And yet you ignore the completely logical argument I made regarding the issue of their plan of attack... apparently you just want to be mad and rant.

Consider perhaps making changes to a large game mechanic like altering trial subscriptions functionality is not something a dev can just do at lunchtime... i would imagine they would have to have meetings on the positive and negative effects of such things along with implimentation plans, etc etc.

You want to be inluded at meeting minutes, and that isnt going to happen.

They know theres a problem. They said there will be a fix in mod 8 that should reduce the issue.. your quest is satisfied, don't ask for details your probably not going to get them.

[Tarrant]

If I were them I wouldn't put any information out either. Why let the spammers know what they are going to do before they do it.

Ninja Spam Attack FTW!

If we were allowed to give out prizes, you would receive one. Instead, be happy with a pat on the back!

[Lizardgrad89]

The plat farmers are killing me!

I created a new character the other day, and right at the same time, a spammer popped up!

I reported him immediately. I doubt he got 5 tells off before I turned him in. I then proceeded to send him tells at the same rate as he was sending them out. He vanished after about 8 minutes (the mods are doing their jobs if we help them by reporting). I waited for the next one, same thing. Next one, same thing. After about 5 of them, they stopped coming in.

Did I win? LOL, it was probably lunchtime in China or something. Still, I felt better.



Now, as to the problem at hand...



Ban tells on trial accounts. Period. If the newbies are serious about the game, let them give up a credit card. Then they can send tells.

For those that think it will casue problems, it won't. New players just use general chat all the time. If I ever want to help new players, I just sit in the harbor and answer general chat questions.

As long as /tell is listed as a benefit granted to paying players, it won't be an issue for trial players. All the "free to play" MMO's restrict the free player, that how they "encourage" you to start paying.



So of course, the next spammer issue will be spamming on the general tab.

Oh wise Mods, what will you do to counter that?

(I realize most of you will say they don't use the general tab, but the new players all do, so the spammers will be killing the newbies, which will result either in more sales for them as they prey on those who don't know the rules yet, or our new players getting disgusted and leaving, and neither of those are good things.)

[Beherit_Baphomar]

If we were allowed to give out prizes, you would receive one. Instead, be happy with a pat on the back!

That cant be true! If it is how am I supposed to whine and complain?!?!

/sarcasm off.

Like I said before, Turbine have brought things to the game that have helped with the spam mail we recieved.

WHAT THIS MEAN IS Turbine DO NOT WANT the spammers in the game any more than YOU DO!.

Im 'shouting' because I want to make it clear to some in this thread.

[ahpook]

right.So something should be coming soon (tm) is what you guys want as answers...ok then.wow,no one knew that answer was coming.It still doesn't say they are doing anything at all,do you still believe it took 6 months to come up with that?

Do you realize that you asked IF something was being done:

Before people understand you are actually doing nothing but sitting on your thumbs.Is it too much to ask *IF* something is in the works?Anything?I might be annoying with this thread but it's equally annoying to be spammed every ****ing session on every ****ing character

So they answered you that, yes something is being done, in Mod 8.

and you do realize it's only because of persistent people we got an answer at all if you call that an answer?

And if you ask for an answer and then you ridicule the answerer, what is to encourage them to offer up more answers in the future? But hey, if you think acting like a jerk will work, go for it.

[muffinlad]

Give us an option to remove the bell,
when we get a private tell
this our anger will surely quell
as we ignore their spam all to

Hello operator, give me number 9.....

[FoxOne]

Do you realize that you asked IF something was being done:


So they answered you that, yes something is being done, in Mod 8.

And if you ask for an answer and then you ridicule the answerer, what is to encourage them to offer up more answers in the future? But hey, if you think acting like a jerk will work, go for it.

You need a pat on the back too?keep nitpicking,just find another thread if you're not happy with what i write,this isn't communist china.

And do you think they would have posted at all unless i brought the issue up daily?right as they did in 6 months prior...?whatever

[Quanefel]

Has anyone else noticed a new plat farming company using new, annoying "tactics" to spam? I refer it to the "tag team" spam. What will happen is, out of no where I will get spammed by this new company. I do my thing of Report and Squelch. Followed by a few minutes of a 2nd spam from the same company but a different toon. Thier aggressive advertising is getting beyond simply annoying.

I am glad though that Turbine has hinted and something being done about this next mod. It could not come sooner, I think. Thanks for the heads-up!

[Riggs]

One idea that some disagree with, but I like anyway is restricting OUTGOING tells to level 2 and above, perhaps even level 3.

You could reply, and maybe if there was a way to allow tells to people who have posted an lfm "Can I join your group" etc, but really, as long as level 1 players cannot send, that would slow down spam by a huge margin.

Sure a good player can get from 1-2 in 20 min say - but a level 1 that is a spammer only has to log on, start a macro on the who list, and log off a min later. Delete and start over. If every single plat spammer had to run 20-30 minutes worth of quests before being allowed to send tells....well that would sure slow down the long chain of new characters.

[impz]

One idea hat some disagree with, but I like anyway is restricting OUTGOING tells to level 2 and above, perhaps even level 3.

You could reply, and maybe if there was a way to allow tells to people who have posted an lfm "Can i join your group" etc, but really, as long as level 1 players cannot send, that would slow down spam by a huge margin.

Sure a good player can get from 1-2 in 20 min say - but a level 1 that is a spammer only has to log on, start a mcro on the who list, and log off a min later. Delete and start over. If every single plat spammer had to run 20-30 minutes worth of quests before being allowed to send tells....well that would sure slow down the long chain of new characters.

I have to completely disagree with this suggestion since it will really stifle new players. I am actually a new player that hooked up after being impressed by the Trial, as well as getting extremely nice tells (and replying from me) in terms of communication and help. If you are wondering, I only started playing this game 1 week ago, and I am having so much fun due to the nice crew of Stormreach Thief Guild in Khyber (yes, shameless love for thieves is my weakness). On the other hand, if the new mod comes in where new players can get their level 2 in their newbie island (through the solo quests), I think that will be an absolutely great idea. I didn't get my first level in the newbie solo island, and was almost stranded if not for the help of others.

As a new player, I felt that spammers did not really hit me too hard. Maybe they do not like my name, but I surely prefer them to continue doing so.

I think that the most viable way of approaching this problem has been mentioned by various people in the forum. It's to restrict tells on trial accounts to 30 seconds per tell, and to immediately flag anything with a "http" link. As a new player, I find the user interface quite hard to send tells quickly, and a new player with less than 10 days of experience generally needs some time to reply to messages. Hence, I do not see how it will lessen the user experience at all. It will clearly indicate a spammer if they try to keep spamming to everyone.

I mean, how many of us actually type out links in a freaking tell? Maybe some of you do, but I find it almost silly to do that when you can just use the party/guild if you are offering links to anyone on a tell. That's how I feel about it.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

I have to completely disagree with this suggestion since it will really stifle new players. I am actually a new player that hooked up after being impressed by the Trial, as well as getting extremely nice tells (and replying from me) in terms of communication and help. If you are wondering, I only started playing this game 1 week ago, and I am having so much fun due to the nice crew of Stormreach Thief Guild in Khyber (yes, shameless love for thieves is my weakness). On the other hand, if the new mod comes in where new players can get their level 2 in their newbie island (through the solo quests), I think that will be an absolutely great idea. I didn't get my first level in the newbie solo island, and was almost stranded if not for the help of others.

As a new player, I felt that spammers did not really hit me too hard. Maybe they do not like my name, but I surely prefer them to continue doing so.

I think that the most viable way of approaching this problem has been mentioned by various people in the forum. It's to restrict tells on trial accounts to 30 seconds per tell, and to immediately flag anything with a "http" link. As a new player, I find the user interface quite hard to send tells quickly, and a new player with less than 10 days of experience generally needs some time to reply to messages. Hence, I do not see how it will lessen the user experience at all. It will clearly indicate a spammer if they try to keep spamming to everyone.

I mean, how many of us actually type out links in a freaking tell? Maybe some of you do, but I find it almost silly to do that when you can just use the party/guild if you are offering links to anyone on a tell. That's how I feel about it.

I actually all the time send links of funny DDO videos in tells to my friends on the game if something is slow or something of that nature. I do feel there should be a limit on how many tells at a time and only so many people also. I am not really smart nor think much about it but i do love reading others opinions on this issue. And i do want to thank the devs for one helping the spam as it was way worst before the mailbox was made to be almost spam proof.

[JD2134]

When Mod 8 is released, we will be changing a few details behind the scenes of DDO. What details, you ask? Details to deal with spam! This change should help with a lot of the spam messages you all are currently receiving.

i said it before and i say it again. devs go watch cops, watch how they track the local dealer to the major player. WHY watch cops. cause the same tactic can be used with spammers. go buy 10k it cost ddo maybe 15 bucks, then watch the toon the delievers that coin, and follow the case backwards, so not only can you get the dealer, but the accounts holding the money, and loot, plus the lvl 16 toon that are running the quest to get the stuff