Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Cambo]

this question has been answered inthis thread 2 or 3 times

Guess I had better put the answer on the first posts.


...**** backpage thumb button on my mouse..just lost a huge edit...oh well.

[ryingar]

this question has been answered inthis thread 2 or 3 times

thanks for the info... there are 160 pages of info here... a more enlightening response would have been nice. atqa or keep your snipes to yourself.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Just curious, but has anyone tried to combine two shards on any of the other altars? I'm saving up on small ing to check this out, and was only able to check out one with dissimillar essences, and foci. I was assuming to fail as it did, and haven't been able to do further testing as of yet.

Yes, multiple shards have been tried at both Invasion and Subjugation. Both failed.

I was thinking that if the mechanics of the third altar allows the combination of two shards, then it would stand to reason that it could be possible to do the same on other altars as well.

You can only combine supreme shards.

Also has anyone tried to combine more than 2 shards on the third altar? We do have four slots available for shards there...like a water,fire, earth,air combo.

All evidence at the moment points to only two supreme shards being able to be combined at the Altar of Devastation. I don't think anyone has tried three but I personally would consider the likelyhood of it working to be extremely low - it just wouldn't fit with the rest of the crafting mechanic - two shards at Devastation makes a lot of sense when you are trying to match the elements at Invasion and Subjugation, it wouldn't make sense to combine any more than two.

Garth

[Cambo]

Answers to some common questions:
These answers are not 100% (as some are so unlikely no one has tested it) but are so likely to be correct due to the work carried out across 3000 posts I consider them so.

• All the recipes for Green steel items have been uncovered - there is no secret special rapier or greataxe recipe.
• Multiple shards combinations only work on the third upgrade
• Only Multiple shards creating a known Aspect will combine.
• Combining Single Focus Shards is not expected to yield anything special, except pehaps a waste of 12 valuable large ingredients

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

• All the recipes for Green steel items have been uncovered - there is no secret special rapier or greataxe recipe.
• Multiple shards combinations only work on the third upgrade
• Only Multiple shards creating a known Aspect will combine.
• Combining Single Focus Shards is not expected to yield anything special, except pehaps a waste of 12 valuable large ingredients

Also (based on PMs I've had from people with questions about this stuff)...

• Only shards created with the with the same gem and essence will successfully combine at the altar of Devastation
• Only by adding a Supreme Shard at Devastation that matches the existing elemental aspect (e.g. 'Aspect of ...' on the item description) will you unlock the tier 3 special bonus effect. e.g. you put fire at tier 1 and fire at tier 2, you have to add a fire shard. e.g. you put Fire at tier 1 and Negative at Tier 2, you must add an Ash shard. Exception: Balance of Land and Sky requires a Tempered Shard, and Tempered requires a Balance of Land and Sky shard.
• When combining Supreme Shards, the dominant element will be determined by the following order: Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Positive, Negative E.g. Fire beats Positive. e.g. Positive beats Negative. Exception: Air beats Water. The dominant element determines the tier 3 effect. E.g. it's not possible to get Good Blast on a mineral II weapon.
• Interesting Fact: You do not have to get a bonus effect at tier 3 if you don't want to e.g. you could go Positive Dominion Material then Earth Dominion Material then Positive Dominion Material and end up with a +5 holy acid burst weapon of good blast with no bonus effect - if you really really wanted Good Blast over Acid Blast, Transmuting, Keen, Slicing... (save yourself 12 ingredients!)

Many people have also asked me about the notation being used on this thread and also on my website for representing crafted items and weapons. This notation is explained in this post.

Hope that clears a few things up,

Garth

[MysticTheurge]

All evidence at the moment points to only two supreme shards being able to be combined at the Altar of Devastation. I don't think anyone has tried three but I personally would consider the likelyhood of it working to be extremely low

Eladrin has told us that there are no recipes which involve more than two shards of power.

[Borror0]

Eldarin,
any word on the Ash II failure? You indicated you'd check on it, but we haven't hear back yet. Just curious.

Red and purple named immunites, take II.

[arcsonist]

Do you all think that if I put shard of power earth and and shard of power negative will the end result equal vorpal. since mineral gives keen and negative equals slay living?

[UtherSRG]

Do you all think that if I put shard of power earth and and shard of power negative will the end result equal vorpal. since mineral gives keen and negative equals slay living?

No.

[arcsonist]

Well for my final tier 3 was going to combine a earth shard of supreme power with one of negative then add the outcome to this weapon any one combine these two shards yet?

[UtherSRG]

Well for my final tier 3 was going to combine a earth shard of supreme power with one of negative then add the outcome to this weapon any one combine these two shards yet?

You went Neg on tier 1 and Neg on tier 2. The only way to get anything special on tier 3 is to go Neg again.

[Alexander_Illusioni]

Well for my final tier 3 was going to combine a earth shard of supreme power with one of negative then add the outcome to this weapon any one combine these two shards yet?

I do not believe this has been tried. The likely outcome is that you will just add the same thing as if you used only an earth supreme shard on it (in other words you will waste 12 ingredients on the neg supreme shard). You can always try, but I think people who have been testing this would say that they are 99% sure it would be an unwise use of ingredients. Good luck.

[Inkblack]

I added a Table of Contents and Instructions for Crafting to my spreadsheet, on the first page. Please take a look. If anyone finds any mistakes, or has suggestions, please send me a PM.

Link: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...zJRx5CcCEpCaYg

Ink

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I do not believe this has been tried. The likely outcome is that you will just add the same thing as if you used only an earth supreme shard on it (in other words you will waste 12 ingredients on the neg supreme shard). You can always try, but I think people who have been testing this would say that they are 99% sure it would be an unwise use of ingredients. Good luck.

You won't waste 12 ingredients, you'll waste 24 - because you won't get a tier 3 bonus effect - firstly because earth will dominate negative and so there's no way that could work, and secondly you're really combining an ash shard with neg/neg - which shouldn't work anyway. On the bright side - you would get the earth tier 3 effect though... so it wouldn't be a total waste...

OP: Strongly advise against doing this. Just put negative on there and get your slay living 1% chance of proc...

Garth

[geoffhanna]

...but I couldn't find a reference. So I tried it myself to be sure.

You cannot combine small Shards of Power. To be specific, I've proven that you cannot combine a small Material, Dominion, Positive shard with a small Material, Dominion, Negative shard.

p.s. Cambo I think the font changes are a big plus!

[edit] Okay now I know its been tried before. Hey I tried to contribute anyway

[arcsonist]

Thanks for the input guys I will hold off on making this a tier 3 for now, going to start on the opposite version of this then.

PS hidden effect I noticed is lesser evil guard on the weapon. 1d4

[MadameX]

1st Alter Earth
2nd Alter Water
3d alter Earth + Water

[Zaodon]

ONLINE CALCULATOR! AWESOME!
(written by me! )

Enjoy.

[stockwizard5]

Since the so-called dominant focus theory has "issues" I am just trying to fill out my table ...

Has anyone made the following combinations and know the dominant focus?

A/N/A+N
A/W/A+W

E/F/E+F
E/N/E+N

F/A/F+A
F/P/F+P

N/A/N+A
N/E/N+E
N/W/N+W

W/A/W+A
W/E/W+E
W/N/W+N
W/P/W+P

Thank you ...

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Since the so-called dominant focus theory has "issues" I am just trying to fill out my table ...

Has anyone made the following combinations and know the dominant focus?

A/N/A+N
A/W/A+W

E/F/E+F
E/N/E+N

F/A/F+A
F/P/F+P

N/A/N+A
N/E/N+E
N/W/N+W

W/A/W+A
W/E/W+E
W/N/W+N
W/P/W+P

Thank you ...

Didn't realise the theory had 'issues' - can you elaborate? All evidence points to the order being Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Positive, Negative (except Air beats Water).

There are screenshots of all the above combinations here. You're welcome to trawl through them all (again) and check that they are consistent with the theory.

Garth