Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[Inkblack]

Since the so-called dominant focus theory has "issues" I am just trying to fill out my table ...

Has anyone made the following combinations and know the dominant focus?

A/N/A+N
A/W/A+W

E/F/E+F
E/N/E+N

F/A/F+A
F/P/F+P

N/A/N+A
N/E/N+E
N/W/N+W

W/A/W+A
W/E/W+E
W/N/W+N
W/P/W+P

Thank you ...

I started to answer this, but I think you are looking for whether a certain order has been tried. Not that I can point to the evidence directly, but I don't believe A/W/A+W is different than W/A/W+A. If you are not concerned about the specific order, the dominance for all combinations is found on the last page of my spreadsheet, the link is in my signature. The only one that I haven't personally seen a screenshot of is Salt (WATER + Negative)

Ink

[MysticTheurge]

Didn't realise the theory had 'issues' - can you elaborate?

Well it does have issues in that it greatly decreases the number of possible recipes.

[stockwizard5]

Didn't realise the theory had 'issues' - can you elaborate? All evidence points to the order being Water, Fire, Earth, Air, Positive, Negative (except Air beats Water).

There are screenshots of all the above combinations here. You're welcome to trawl through them all (again) and check that they are consistent with the theory. Garth

When a thoery has an "except" it has "issues" Therefore I want to be complete in making sure there are no additonal "except"s. Looking at your screenies (and everyone else's) I do not see any that are inconsistent with our understanding of what beats what - hence why we have the theory (with its exception).

but I don't believe A/W/A+W is different than W/A/W+A.

Me either - but that said - I have not seen any of the combinations I listed anywhere and prefer not to assume they follow and are not potentially another "except". Since its easy enough to ask if anyone has actually done any of these - I did

If you are not concerned about the specific order, the dominance for all combinations is found on the last page of my spreadsheet

Ours as well and I am

[Zaodon]

When a thoery has an "except" it has "issues" Therefore I want to be complete in making sure there are no additonal "except"s. Looking at your screenies (and everyone else's) I do not see any that are inconsistent with our understanding of what beats what - hence why we have the theory (with its exception).

Try this picture:

[Drith]

ONLINE CALCULATOR! AWESOME!
(written by me! )

Enjoy.

Holy Scots Batman!

Zaodon that is blazing awesome dude. I want to add in all sorts of swear words to further emphasize how amazing that is but I'm not allowed to !

- Dryth

[Drith]

Try this picture:

That picture doesn't clearly show wether air beats fire or fire beat airs ?

Same with Water / Earth.

May I suggest a slightly different model ?

[Zaodon]

That picture doesn't clearly show wether air beats fire or fire beat airs ?

Same with Water / Earth.

May I suggest a slightly different model ?

Fixed it.

[Kargon]

That picture doesn't clearly show wether air beats fire or fire beat airs ?

Same with Water / Earth.

May I suggest a slightly different model ?

Except for the arrowmows showaming that watermer beat earth and fire beat air in the middle of the 4 elemaments?

[EspyLacopa]

That picture doesn't clearly show wether air beats fire or fire beat airs ?

Same with Water / Earth.

May I suggest a slightly different model ?

Sure it does. Find the line that goes from Air to Fire: note the direction the arrow points. Same thing with Water/Earth.

Personally, I rather like my chart:

[Zaodon]

Holy Scots Batman!

Zaodon that is blazing awesome dude. I want to add in all sorts of swear words to further emphasize how amazing that is but I'm not allowed to !

- Dryth

Updated:
- added Green Steel recipes, too.

[Drith]

Sure it does. Find the line that goes from Air to Fire: note the direction the arrow points. Same thing with Water/Earth.

Personally, I rather like my chart:

OMG Shinanigans the arrows were added after I posted !!!

LOL.

[jjflanigan]

ONLINE CALCULATOR! AWESOME!
(written by me! )

Enjoy.

If you'd like, I can host that up on perfectweb to get away from the heinous pop-ups and massive banners.

[Cambo]

ONLINE CALCULATOR! AWESOME!
(written by me! )

Enjoy.

Nice Work!!

[nbhs275]

As far as that calculator goes, its going to be saving me alot of paper. /cheer


Very very nicely made. Simple, and clear.

[Gornin]

Just wanted to take a minute to write thanks to everyone for their work, especially Cambo, Inkblack and the Wiki guys for all of the documentation. And that is an excellent utility Zoadan. Sorry I am not able to contribute, but this is much appreciated.

[Zaodon]

If you'd like, I can host that up on perfectweb to get away from the heinous pop-ups and massive banners.

I tend to be a "fiddler". i.e. I will tweak it constantly. Maybe in a week or so, once I finally give up on being obsessive/compulsive and decide its really "done"...

[Wulf_Ratbane]

ONLINE CALCULATOR! AWESOME!
(written by me! )

VERY handy. Yes, it's awesome.

Good job on not "over-designing" it, either.

[stockwizard5]

Try this picture:

Gets my vote for best picture yet ...

also can confirm that Ethereal, Escalation, Focus and Material, Escalation, Focus did not combine ...

[tihocan]

also can confirm that Ethereal, Escalation, Focus and Material, Escalation, Focus did not combine ...

Awesome, that was the one thing I was planning to try. Can you say exactly what focus you tried it with? (not that it really matters, but I'm keeping a log of all stuff that's been tried, so the more accuracy the better).

[stockwizard5]

Awesome, that was the one thing I was planning to try. Can you say exactly what focus you tried it with? (not that it really matters, but I'm keeping a log of all stuff that's been tried, so the more accuracy the better).

Ya - I have a log also ...

This was a case of "why is this not working" ...

He was trying to make a Transmuting Weapon with CON +2 IIRC so I think it might have been MDP/MDE/MEE+EEP. There was like 6 screw-ups last night - might be getting them confused