The Lawnmower Man

[Impaqt]

Build Named For requester who wants a Dual Weiling Kopesh User... Flying Dual Blades of death equated to Mowing the lawn? I'll buy it, and its a cool name for the build anyway
Dual Kopesh Weilding "Lawnmower Man" Build.

Build Highights:
STR Based Two-Weapon Fighting designed for Dual Kopesh Useage.
Evasion
Solid Saves accross the board


I went with Elf for the Dex Boost. This gives us a the aility to get to a 19 Dex Pretty easily if Superior TWF does require that elusive 19 on a STR based build. By starting at 17 we can eat a +2 Tome, or worst case scenario a +1 Tome and Take a Point of Dex at l16 to get it to 19.

Hit points are solid, Saves are very good while raging with Buffs. Self buffed To hit is solid and with a few buffs comparable with many finesse builds. The build also gives us a Solid enough UMD for RR Items and Weapons.


Level 14 True Neutral Elf Male
(8 Fighter / 4 Barbarian / 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 234
20 Heroic Durability
48 L4 Barbarian
12 L2 Rogue
80 L8 Fighter
16 TOughness
30 TOughness ENH
70 CON Bonus
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276 Hit Points
30 Greater False Life
28 Rage Boost
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334 Hit Points Raged


BAB: 13/13/18/23

13 BAB
10 30 STR
2 Weapon FOcus and Greater Weapon Focus
3 AVerage Weapon Bonus
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28
-2 TWF
-2 Heavy Off Hand
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+24 First Swing Unbuffed
2 Rage STR Boost
4 Greater Heroism
1 Haste
1 Rage Potion
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+32 First Swing W/ +6 Confirm Crit Via Enh w/ Average Buffs
+2 Flanking Bonus Via Enhancments as well.


Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 10
Will: 6
4/1/1 L4 Barb
6/2/2 L8 Fighter
0/3/0 L2 Rogue
5/7/3 Attribute Modifiers
4/4/4 Resist Item
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19/17/10
4/4/4 Greater Heroism
0/0/4 Rage w/ Enhancments
0/4/0 Uncanny Dodge
2/2/2 Recitation
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25/27/20
+5 Elf Enchantment resistance (Which are pretty much all Will Saves)

Efective 20+ On all Saves with the right Combination of Boosts and Buffs.


Armor Class:
10 BASE
10 +5 Mithral Breastplate
7 Dex Bonus W/ FAM II
3 Bark Pot
3 Protection pot
4 Sheild Clicky Or wand
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37 AC Self Buffed 40+ is pretty easy
DR9/- Via Boost as well.

(32 Point)
{30/35}Strength........17 +3 Levels +2 Fighter +6 Item +2 Favor Tome
{24}Dexterity............17 +1 Rogue +6 Item
{20/25}Constitution...12 +1 Tome +1 Barb +6 Item
{10}Intelligence........10
{16}Wisdom.............11 +1 TOme +4 Item
{12}Charisma...........8 +4 Item

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2


Skills
{24}Balance
4 Ranks +7 DEX +13 Item as Needed

{23}Jump
13 Ranks +10 STR

{37+}Open Lock
10 Ranks +7Dex +7 Tools +13 Item

{20}Spot
4 Ranks +3 WIS +13 Item
Swim
I put some ranks here just because.. Might put more ranks in Spot instead

{24}Tumble
4 Ranks +7Dex +13 Item as Needed
Nice to have a good Tumble for high Jump

{21+}Use Magic Device
17 Ranks +1CHR +3 Cartouse =21 +4GH =25
Purely for RR Items, Maybe an Emergency Raise Dead.

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh

Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 5 (Barbarian)

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will

Level 7 (Barbarian)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 10 (Fighter)

Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 13 (Fighter)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Reesistance II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Hardy and Power Rage can be dropped w/+6 Items freeing up 4 Action Points

[maddmatt70]

You will not get superior weapon specialization when/if that comes out with only 8 levels of fighter. I would go with a boring human 14 level barbarian (starting stats 18 str 17 dex 11 con or maybe 17 str, 17 dex, 14 con with feats exotic weapon prof khopesh, twf,itwf,gtwf, power attack, impcrit slash) or if you are going to multiclass with evasion I would have a 2 level rogue with 12 fighter so that you could get superior weapon specialization some day (different build then barbarian with alot of feats, nice umd, etc.)..

[Impaqt]

WHy would anyone care about Superior Two Weapon Specilization? I've never even seen anyone speculate on that... ANother +1 or 2 to Damage? for a Feat? Waste if a feat if you ask me... I probobly wouldnt even recomend Greater Specilization on this build at L20.

Your dual Weilding Kopeshes.... The damage is already significant with wasting feats on Boosting damage.

[rpasell]

WHy would anyone care about Superior Two Weapon Specilization? I've never even seen anyone speculate on that... ANother +1 or 2 to Damage? for a Feat? Waste if a feat if you ask me... I probobly wouldnt even recomend Greater Specilization on this build at L20.

Your dual Weilding Kopeshes.... The damage is already significant with wasting feats on Boosting damage.

I believe he means Superior TWF not specialization.


+ to damage, + to hit/attck, more attacks/round. Speculation as it's a made up DDO feat, but it would be in keeping with the chain.

[Impaqt]

I believe he means Superior TWF not specialization.


+ to damage, + to hit/attck, more attacks/round. Speculation as it's a made up DDO feat, but it would be in keeping with the chain.

This build WILL Qualify for what people believe Superior Two-Weapon Fighting will be.......

Specilizaion only adds Damage. Focus Adds To Hit and does neither offer More attaks. Saying a build is questionable because you might not be able to take a completly made up Speculation of a non-existang feat is just plain bizaar.

[maddmatt70]

Umm see fighter threads. If you are a dps fighter build greater weapon specialization is a must especially for a dual wielder as gws is added to each weapon's attacks so it really becomes a +4 damage for each round of attacks and when you get a crit with one khopesh is +6. Superior weapon specialization would be an extra 2 points of weapon damage to each hand's attacks. Damage adds up is the point. Look at the market for a +4 flaming burst of pure good khopesh vs. a +5 flaming burst of pure good or stats 30 vs. 32 strength, etc..

It stands to reason that if they are adding superior two weapon and superior two handed fighting they would add superior weapon focus and weapon specialization.

[Impaqt]

Umm see fighter threads. If you are a dps fighter build greater weapon specialization is a must especially for a dual wielder as gws is added to each weapon's attacks so it really becomes a +4 damage for each round of attacks and when you get a crit with one khopesh is +6. Superior weapon specialization would be an extra 2 points of weapon damage to each hand's attacks. Damage adds up is the point. Look at the market for a +4 flaming burst of pure good khopesh vs. a +5 flaming burst of pure good or stats 30 vs. 32 strength, etc..

It stands to reason that if they are adding superior two weapon and superior two handed fighting they would add superior weapon focus and weapon specialization.

This is a Theme Build..... The Barabarian Levels build in a +2 To Hit AND Damage while raged.

Greater Specilization WILL be available to the build later int he game, and then the barb levels will basically allow him to Match having Superior Weapon Focus and Specilization. WIthout Spending another feat.

[maddmatt70]

Length of rage? Having never played a barbarian how many rages does this barbarian get and how long will the rages last?

[Mad_Bombardier]

Length of rage? Having never played a barbarian how many rages does this barbarian get and how long will the rages last?

Rage lasts for (3+CON modifier) * 6 seconds.

[Impaqt]

3 Rages, 11*6 =66 Seconds +20%ENh =80 Seconds.

SO the rages arent plentiful like a Full barbarian, but very useable for boss fights.

[maddmatt70]

i like the 10% speed aspect of the barb, but when cap reaches 16 seems to me this guy would want to reroll something more like a 1 barb 13 fighter 2 rogue or something like that if they want the barbarian's speed. I guess my major complaint of your build is its ability to last in the game beyond level 14. pure barbarian or a more heavy fighter build is more advantages in the future and argueable in the present..

[Impaqt]

i like the 10% speed aspect of the barb, but when cap reaches 16 seems to me this guy would want to reroll something more like a 1 barb 13 fighter 2 rogue or something like that if they want the barbarian's speed. I guess my major complaint of your build is its ability to last in the game beyond level 14. pure barbarian or a more heavy fighter build is more advantages in the future and argueable in the present..

Actually, there no reason why this build cant go F14/barb4/Rogue2 at End Game. Which Opens up EVERY fighter enhancment and feat currently available in the game.

ANything else is SPeculation. We have gotten ZERO hints as to what L15+ will bring for Fighters asside from Superior TWF and Superior THF. WHich this build most likely will qualify for.

If/When More Enhancments/Feats come out for Fighters, THEN, and ONLY then can we truely evaluate a build such as this for L15+ FIghter.

Currently, there is no argument on the fighter side that this build doesnt compensate for taking the build criteria into the equation. THe requstor made no mention of Power attack, SPring Attack, CE or any other "Fighter" feats that this build lacks.

[EinarMal]

I probably would have picked Fighter 8/Pally 4/Rogue 2, you get divine favor for +2 to hit/dmg with about ~140 spell points to keep it up 14 minutes between shrines. You also of course get about +8 to all saves and immunities. I just don't see the Barb benefits outweighing those personally.

[maddmatt70]

wait. It doesn't have power attack. I did not catch that.. power attack = must have... especially in this world of the bard...

Well if you are dead set on this build go 2 rogue, 12 fighter now and by the time this build is levelled up hopefully the cap will have gone to 16 or be close to going up to 16 at which point the person can take 2 levels of barbarian and work there way onto this 4 barbarian 14 fighter 2 rogue build... although by the time that happens monk will be out so then you will proposing a whole different build... lol

[maddmatt70]

I probably would have picked Fighter 8/Pally 4/Rogue 2, you get divine favor for +2 to hit/dmg with about ~140 spell points to keep it up 14 minutes between shrines. You also of course get about +8 to all saves and immunities. I just don't see the Barb benefits outweighing those personally.

Yeah not a bad build fighter 8/pally 4/rogue 2.. no arguments here although more defensive in nature..

[EinarMal]

Yeah not a bad build fighter 8/pally 4/rogue 2.. no arguments here although more defensive in nature..

Yeah if you go elf like I did you also get constant displacement with dragonmarks and extend. Makes it very durable.

To me the rage duration and numbers you are getting from Barb would not appeal to me given how few times you could use them. Running fast is nice though!

[Impaqt]

I probably would have picked Fighter 8/Pally 4/Rogue 2, you get divine favor for +2 to hit/dmg with about ~140 spell points to keep it up 14 minutes between shrines. You also of course get about +8 to all saves and immunities. I just don't see the Barb benefits outweighing those personally.

WOW, thats pretty impressive, Please Detail that Out....

lemme help....

Divine Favor +1 to Hit and damage at Level 4 WHoops
14 CHR(With a +6 item) means you can get a Total of +4 to Saves 2via AUra and 2 From CHR

Base saves for L4 Barb vs. L6 Paly are the same... SO net is a little better Fort and Reflex... Which are Both FIne already... Will save ends up the same.

140 Spell Points Not Quite

2 L4 Paly SPell Points (Shou;d be 5, but theres currently a abug)
26 L4 Paly with 14 WIsdom
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28

Thats 2 Minutes of Divine Favor.

We then Lose 6 Points of COnstitution (5 Rage +1 Barb Enh) potential, 10% Speed Increase, Uncanny Dodge...... The list goes on...

[Impaqt]

wait. It doesn't have power attack. I did not catch that.. power attack = must have... especially in this world of the bard...

Well if you are dead set on this build go 2 rogue, 12 fighter now and by the time this build is levelled up hopefully the cap will have gone to 16 or be close to going up to 16 at which point the person can take 2 levels of barbarian and work there way onto this 4 barbarian 14 fighter 2 rogue build... although by the time that happens monk will be out so then you will proposing a whole different build... lol

Matt, Please read the Original Thread before Commenting any more....
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=127284
Your not making a lot of sense....

[EinarMal]

WOW, thats pretty impressive, Please Detail that Out....

lemme help....

Divine Favor +1 to Hit and damage at Level 4 WHoops
(Yeah you are right on this one....need to get level 6)

14 CHR(With a +6 item) means you can get a Total of +4 to Saves 2via AUra and 2 From CHR

Base saves for L4 Barb vs. L6 Paly are the same... SO net is a little better Fort and Reflex... Which are Both FIne already... Will save ends up the same.
(Divine Favor w/ 20 Charisma and +2 Aura = +7 to all saves not sure where you got the starting 8 cha)

140 Spell Points Not Quite

2 L4 Paly SPell Points (Shou;d be 5, but theres currently a abug)
26 L4 Paly with 14 WIsdom
+100 magi
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128 (off by a little)

Thats 2 (12) Minutes of Divine Favor.

We then Lose 6 Points of COnstitution (5 Rage +1 Barb Enh) potential, 10% Speed Increase, Uncanny Dodge...... The list goes on... (For a couple of minutes per shrine?)

Errr touchy touchy today corrected it for you!

[Impaqt]

Errr touchy touchy today corrected it for you!

Not touchy, your still just not making sense...

You want this guy to wear a PoP or weild a Magi Weapon all the time? THats just not realisitic. There no way you can get to a 20 CHR on this build without making significant sacrifices onteh Base Stats.. Please, Show the build.... WHere are the extra 6 Points of CHR coming From? Dex? Opps, there gos half your reflex save boost and TWF Chain, STR? Theres goes +3 to Hit and Damage.. CON? Cant even do that.. Wisdom? Int?

I have no issue with people critiqueing builds I present when the Critique is based on fact rather than speculation and Completely made up numbers.