new gold dice roll item lesser elixir of discovery

[mr420247]

NO vip no sovs just 3-4 20 pots a life depending on weekend bonuses

almost done 3x racials 3 forged left should hit 60 reaper points not great but not bad

Its doable 100k rxp r3 avg streaking a life

[Niminae]

But never before has DDO monetized like this. DDO putting significantly desirable items exclusively behind an in game slot machine is a really bad thing because the mechanic gets those with self-control issues to spend more than they should be responsibly spending. And some whales will spend WAY more than they should. Specifically fishing for items that are exclusively in the higher rolls.

I think that "never before" is either wishful thinking or simply overlooking a lot of actual history. Companions is just one example where for years you could gamble your TP on a 'basket' want a random pet in it. If you wanted a particular one you could spend a lot of TP trying for it:

Creature Companion Mystery Basket
Open this basket and find a new tressym or other companion!
Using this basket in game will grant you one new companion certificate, randomly selected from six possible pets, all exclusive to this basket. Will your basket contain the super rare pseudodragon? You've got a 5% chance! If not, you'll still get an exclusive new tressym companion. The certificates from this basket each allow you to form a permanent bond with a new companion. Companions follow you around, can learn tricks, and can be given cosmetic gear to wear. The companions that come from this basket each have four tricks already trained. Certificates from this basket are auctionable and tradable.

You've got a 5% chance!

There's a Random Collectables Crate:

Contains at least three stacks of random collectables, with chances for rares!
A crate containing a random selection of collectables. Each crate contains at least three stacks of collectables, one of which is guaranteed to be at least uncommon in rarity. Any of the stacks can be rare! One crate.

Any of the stacks can be rare!

There is really nothing new going on here.

I'm not broke. I can afford to pay for my fun. I just want to pay for content and gameplay instead of paying for an "opportunity" to skip playing the game.

I love when SSG/Turbine makes products for us to buy. I dislike when they make products that consist of paying for ways to let us avoid playing the game. Like XP stones, raid loot, etc.

But the Gold Roll has always been an incentive (part of, sure, but still an incentive) to buy a VIP sub. And that came with an XP stone every week, and on every server.

There is really nothing new going on here.

The reality is that fewer players have BOUGHT maxed-out power compared to those who have grinded it out. There are a ton of unemployed or retired or student players that play this game 6-10 hours a day, and have near maxed-out power. There are far fewer rich players who have bought maxed-out power. Your premise is incorrect.

I'd love to see your source for that information.

There's no way either of us know for sure if more people buy past lives or grind them out.

Wait... Didn't you just state like you knew it for a fact that more people grind than buy? I mean, I quoted you saying that just above.

[Wipey]

How is it that we get drop rates so suddenly, when in the past Turbine/SSG have declined publishing them over and over after many, many requests? Lol

Because those numbers are not even close. Both the ingame experience running tens or hundreds of those or drop rates from game files posted on the "evil forums" by Rodrak - the guy that got banned for that.
Raids and quests droprates in single digits. Tweaking tome and other store items droprates since Motu. Shard of Eross 1/6666 EE ADQ chests. Stuff like that.

All credit goes to Rodrak.

Example : Deathwyrm 4/2/1% EE/EH/EN for named item at release.

- Fire on Thunder Peak (EE/EH/EN):

100% 4d4+10 dwarven ingots (same/same)
100% 5d6+7 fire dragon scales (3d6+5/1d6+2)
100% 1 fire dragon phlogiston (80%/60%)
4% items subtable (2%/1%)
3% augments subtable (2%/1%)
(items and augments are in the same roll, so no both)
Augments subtable (same as used in HH etc.)
1% meteoric star ruby
17% ruby eye of the inferno
17% ruby eye of the glacier
17% ruby eye of erosion
16% ruby eye of the tempest
16% ruby eye of righteousness
16% ruby eye of force
Items subtable (all diffs are same):
28% dethek runestone
28% dragon masque
28% ward token
6% meridian fragment
10% tomes subtable
Tomes subtable is the same as in necro raid ie. +5 to +6 or +6 only on EE, while lower tomes with a chance for tomes of fate on EH and EN.

- Temple of the Deathwyrm
Here I see at least 2 chest types, prolly 1 is end chest (with phlogiston) and 1 is for side/optional chests (shadow scales inside):
End chest:
100% 4d4+10 dwarven ingots (same/same)
100% 5d6+7 shadow scales (3d6+5/1d6+2)
100% 1 shadow dragon phlogiston (80%/60%)
4% items subtable (2%/1%)
3% augments subtable (same as above) (2%/1%)
Items subtable:
30% dumathoin's bracers
30% dark diversion
30% battlerager's harness
10% tome subtable (same as in necro and above raid)

Side chest(s):
100% 1d4+2 dwarven ingots (same/same)
5% 2d6+7 shadow dragon scales (1d6+5/1d3+2)

Mark of Death 10/5/2% EE/EH/EN at release

EE version:
10% for a raid item subtable
3d3+18 masterwork tapestry shreds
EH is 5% and 3d3+6, EN is 2% and 3d2+3.
Item subtable:
EN,EH,EE: 10% per item, 10% for tome subtable
Tome subtable:
EE: 40% for Tome subtable2
EH: 40% for Tome subtable2
EN: 50% for Tome subtable2 (yup, actually higher)
Tome subtable2:
EE: 50% for a +5 to +6 stat tome, 50% for a +6 stat tome
EH: 95% for a +5 stat tome, 4% for +2 fate tome, 1% for +3 fate tome
EN: same as EH

[Steelstar]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

[Wizza]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

Honestly, the amount of times where "oh wait, we did this but it was never mentioned but Im bringing it up at a convenient time on the forum" this happened is why I, personally, dont trust a single thing ssg says.

If you want credibility, then earn it. I know you dont care about my personal opinion, which is fine, but I know Im not alone in thinking this (see reply above yours for instance).

Just like the tomes drop rates thing. Ssg still states, clearly, that they did not touch those drop rates when its obvious that they did, to everyone.

Or the Mythic and Reaper bonus drop rates. Why were reaper bonus not mentioned in the posted drop rates? What are their chances?

[RTN]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

Thanks, Steelstar!

[Captain_Wizbang]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

As this game evolves, things get changed, I'm ok with that. But this whole drop rate "issue" should never have been addressed publicly.
The kraken has been released.
People will whittle you down if you give them the opening. (and you do)

[Kza]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

For me personally im perfectly fine with NOT knowing Exactly ingame droprates. I feel that it is funnier not mathematically
Be able to calc If it is better do 4 elite ones or 3 r2 ones in same time for max chanse get item x.

I lose some of my immersion that i am in a fantasy world If all i think of is statistical droprates. (And im a math teacher)

So plz know ssg that there are players of your lovely game not ”demanding” that all secrets is rewealed. And prefeer have roughly estimates of them by playing the game.

Just my opinion ofcourse. :-)

[Gabrael]

As this game evolves, things get changed, I'm ok with that. But this whole drop rate "issue" should never have been addressed publicly.
The kraken has been released.
People will whittle you down if you give them the opening. (and you do)

I would argue this become needed, if they introduce an item that affect named loot drops, then the moral thing to do IS to release the drop rate of the majority of content, so that people know exactly where they stand if they get their hand on the boost pot and want to try it out.

I want to know when in one instance my boost would go from say 1% to 11%, and when it goes from 33% to 43% in another. keeping things nebulous was all fine and dandy until they introduced these named loot boost. Just to be clear I am fine with those potion as daily dice rolls rewards, and not if they ever appear in store. but while they around I insist that people know exactly the effects for this or that item.a % boost on an unknown x value it far from okay.

edit: and I am very appreciative that the devs at least gave us a general rule of thumb for recent updates values, but atm its insufficient consideing this new boost item, and looking forward to devs dropping more numbers

[valkrei]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

Jibbers every get increased because its drop rate is stupid low. Its a pretty big advantage that only few have and its not like I haven't put in the time.

[Thrudh]

Wait... Didn't you just state like you knew it for a fact that more people grind than buy? I mean, I quoted you saying that just above.

Yes, I was responding in like manner to someone who states everything unknown as a fact. Which I even mentioned in the post you quoted. So I already explained why I posted that way.

[Thrudh]

Honestly, the amount of times where "oh wait, we did this but it was never mentioned but Im bringing it up at a convenient time on the forum" this happened is why I, personally, dont trust a single thing ssg says.

All you are doing here is making it less likely they post anything at all.

I, for one, am very thankful for the dev post that detailed the drop rates on N/H/E.

[erethizon]

For me personally im perfectly fine with NOT knowing Exactly ingame droprates. I feel that it is funnier not mathematically
Be able to calc If it is better do 4 elite ones or 3 r2 ones in same time for max chanse get item x.

I lose some of my immersion that i am in a fantasy world If all i think of is statistical droprates. (And im a math teacher)

So plz know ssg that there are players of your lovely game not ”demanding” that all secrets is rewealed. And prefeer have roughly estimates of them by playing the game.

Just my opinion ofcourse. :-)

For me the math is comforting. I am not normally willing to farm for items that have a low drop rate but the one item that was worth the time (the blade of Jack Jibbers) was worth it partially because I had been told it had a 3% drop rate. That meant that if I ran it every day for a month I should get a blade and even if my luck were poor I ought to be able to get one within 3 months (6 months at the latest). So I found a time when I wasn't much in the mood to play DDO and rather than just logging in, doing my daily dice, and leaving, I instead logged in, did my dice, ran TTT on EH and then logged out. It took 30-something days for me to get my blade. Knowing the math made it much easier to endure the drudgery of farming it. Had I not been aware of the math it would have been far easier to assume I was just wasting my time and it was never going to drop.

[Rull]

For me the math is comforting. I am not normally willing to farm for items that have a low drop rate but the one item that was worth the time (the blade of Jack Jibbers) was worth it partially because I had been told it had a 3% drop rate. That meant that if I ran it every day for a month I should get a blade and even if my luck were poor I ought to be able to get one within 3 months (6 months at the latest). So I found a time when I wasn't much in the mood to play DDO and rather than just logging in, doing my daily dice, and leaving, I instead logged in, did my dice, ran TTT on EH and then logged out. It took 30-something days for me to get my blade. Knowing the math made it much easier to endure the drudgery of farming it. Had I not been aware of the math it would have been far easier to assume I was just wasting my time and it was never going to drop.

... now I have this mental image of a poor guy running The Tide Turns (TTT) every day for 6 months straight, before finally giving up on the Jack Jibbers blade :'-(

[Xanthrawl]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% standard we mentioned earlier. This includes both of the Thunderholme raids and the Mark of Death. I do not know why the U34 Release Notes did not mention that drop rates had been raised (I believe any cases where named item drop rates changed in that pass, they went up). At some point in the near future, I will try and assemble a list of content packs affected by that pass.

Defunct - : no longer living, existing, or functioning.

C'mon, Steel, the drop rates aren't THAT bad...

Seriously though, I hope you don't mean what you just said.

Honestly, the amount of times where "oh wait, we did this but it was never mentioned but Im bringing it up at a convenient time on the forum" this happened is why I, personally, dont trust a single thing ssg says.

And +1 to you, sir.

[Captain_Wizbang]

From Steelstar:



Sev~

Thanks,

These numbers you all are using are SSG's, and that's ok, just please don't say they are from a DM guide.

[Captain_Wizbang]

Not going to comment on the particulars of now-defunct drop rates, but: In Update 34, the same pass that added Mythic and Reaper Bonuses to named loot game-wide also brought several content packs in line with the 10%/16%/33% .