A sneak peek at Update 24’s dungeons … and beyond

[catouse9]

I'm still new enough to go on quests for the sake of the storyline.

ditto this!

[Uska]

ditto this!

That is,why I want new low and level quests

[jalont]

Well, it does. Not being level capped will mean that it will not be challenging, loot will NOT be worthwile to people playing endgame and we won't even be able to farm it to sell it because it will be BtAoA. So yeah, not being at cap makes a huge difference.



Good think I don't really care if you believe me or not. Also see Eth's reply.



This is one, there was another statement, maybe in one of the Livestreams. Either way, that one is enough, so there you go Uska. Good thing you read the forums every day.

I'm not sure how anyone can think we're ready to start entering endgame territory. The last few updates have given out massive buffs to certain classes, creating huge imbalance. Creating an endgame now would be a hot mess. There either needs to be a few massive rounds of buffs or nerfs first, so that the endgame can at least be balanced.

[nikos1313]

We want to find a fun system to reward exploring the temple rather than just running the most efficient path to finish the quests, and plan on having some rewarding optional objectives that randomly spawn and give out good XP and treasure.

Sev~

if u manage to make this happen for every/most quests, DDO will be a total different game, and i really hope u can do it eventually.
looking forward to the new stuff!

[Monkey-Boy]

if u manage to make this happen for every/most quests, DDO will be a total different game, and i really hope u can do it eventually.
looking forward to the new stuff!

/Signed.

[Uska]

if u manage to make this happen for every/most quests, DDO will be a total different game, and i really hope u can do it eventually.
looking forward to the new stuff!

That would be cool wouldn't it might get people back to making parties and not zerging everything

[jalont]

That would be cool wouldn't it might get people back to making parties and not zerging everything

LOL, or no one will run them at all. Quite a bit of people don't actually enjoy running content, it's just the thing they have to do to get the exhilaration they feel from winning the prize, whatever that prize may be.

[HurtyouBad]

been back a few days from Vacation and looking on Forums for 1st time and I see this POST......wow , 3 cheers and my excitement for ToEE...I will also say and agree with my fellow Brothers & Sisters who have posted before me PLEASE do it well and with justice , sorry PRETTY PLEASE .....as for more Madness , cool and looking forward to it...as for the OP saying a comment about the FASHION part please include something because I for one crack-up when entering & doing that part of Quest , hilarious and great idea to pull you from the normal scenes throughout Game , might I make a suggestion if you are adding some sort of Fashion part into NEW Madness , name the monsters in that part only after some famous fashion designers from throughout the world either by 1st name or last name or both names but with D&D style ....as for Anauroch its not striking a bell with me , but does make me think by the name only does he have a brother named Inurroch which come from a great console Games - CoN {Champions of Norrath} & CoN-RtA {Champions of Norrath-Return to Arms}.....ty also for very TINY U25 comment and btw , ahy sorta comment on Cannith Crafting revamp/upgrade however you wanna call it , like from what was said by "new" D.D.O. Ldr from his post earlier this Year???

[legendkilleroll]

Well, it does. Not being level capped will mean that it will not be challenging, loot will NOT be worthwile to people playing endgame and we won't even be able to farm it to sell it because it will be BtAoA. So yeah, not being at cap makes a huge difference

Its not like its low 20s, its 26. Not sure how because its not 28 it cant be made challenging, same with the loot, if some nice effects are on them they can still be useful

[Cordovan]

What's with the event - whatever it is - that was announced. Will we see that in U24 or not?

The new event will make its live server debut in 2015, although the plan is to give it a preview on Lamannia during the U24 preview cycle.

[Wizza]

I'm not sure how anyone can think we're ready to start entering endgame territory. The last few updates have given out massive buffs to certain classes, creating huge imbalance. Creating an endgame now would be a hot mess. There either needs to be a few massive rounds of buffs or nerfs first, so that the endgame can at least be balanced.

Alright, let's wait Update 26 to fix Paladins, Update 27 to fix PRR/MRR, Update 28 to buff Rogues, Update 29 to buff Epic Destinies, Update 30 to fix Artificers and then we can have endgame!

Hey look horray, we have a plan!

Its not like its low 20s, its 26. Not sure how because its not 28 it cant be made challenging, same with the loot, if some nice effects are on them they can still be useful

Well that's easy. Wheloon is 26 and was not challenging one bit when it came out. And we didn't even the god mode that we have now. And the paladins. So yeah, I'm pretty sure level 26 can't be challenging to us at the moment.

[Braegan]

That is,why I want new low and level quests

Currently there is enough heroic xp to once and done your way 1-20.
Currently there is not enough epic xp to once and done your way through 20-28.

That is why the focus is and currently should be on epic level quests.

[FranOhmsford]

No but any gm that let low level players access to that kind of stuff was Monty Haul, you don't have a gm here preventing players from passing Monty Haul loot to others or selling it to them. Level limits are like a non-Monty Haul gm

Wow - Just no!

Level limits on named loot in DDO are way beyond simply not being Monty Haul - They're the complete opposite of what a Monty Haul GM would do!
It's not as simple as Monty Haul vs Non Monty Haul {What one person considers Monty Haul could easily be considered standard by others - Heck I've learned that from these very forums with people stating that Gauntlets of Ogre Power are standard fare for Lvl 7/8 Characters and should be available in the local Corner Shop to buy!}.

And Frankly DDO is beyond Monty Haul anyway - 90% of the magical items in DDO would not be available to ANYONE in a PnP Game!

So - You have to judge DDO by DDO's standards AND it was nice to finally have some specialized "Twink" items to earn for later lives {I personally only ever had one such ring so no I wasn't constantly farming that chain like some people!}.

Now - Did Turbine maybe go to far with the original items? Probably.
Did Turbine go way too far with the eventual Nerf? Hell Yes!
Were these items WAI when they came out? YES! This was stated on Multiple Occasions!

[EllisDee37]

Currently there is enough heroic xp to once and done your way 1-20.
Currently there is not enough epic xp to once and done your way through 20-28.

That is why the focus is and currently should be on epic level quests.

It will be both.

But that's the first argument I've seen for not making it endgame.

[FranOhmsford]

I pretty much agree with this list with one big exception....Tomb of the Tormented. Standing around watching one person attempt to herd a rat through a maze is boring. I would say, it's even boring for the puzzler.



I would add to this list: Tear of Dhakaan. You need a specific party make up if you want to do all the optionals. I run this quest about 3 or 4 time each life.

I'm one of the very few people who doesn't absolutely adore Tear!

Don't get me wrong - I like Tear - I just don't think it's in the top tier of quests in DDO.

However: I've never met a Newbie {other than myself} who didn't love Tear the first time they ran it!


As for Tormented - I am quite happy for 5 people to sit around piking {once they've cleared the mobs in each room that is!} while I do the Puzzle!
It's the other 3 quests in that chain that I really Loathe!

[Braegan]

It will be both.

But that's the first argument I've seen for not making it endgame.

Yes, we are getting there.

And don't get me wrong, I don't think we need another under level 26 quest right now. We could use a couple more 26-28, and then the focus should be on the 28-30 range for when the cap goes up.

[legendkilleroll]

Well that's easy. Wheloon is 26 and was not challenging one bit when it came out. And we didn't even the god mode that we have now. And the paladins. So yeah, I'm pretty sure level 26 can't be challenging to us at the moment.

Nothing is challenging to you and your Uber friends though, Im pretty sure when wheloon first came out there was quite a few people who had troubles on EE

[FranOhmsford]

Well that's easy. Wheloon is 26 and was not challenging one bit when it came out. And we didn't even the god mode that we have now. And the paladins. So yeah, I'm pretty sure level 26 can't be challenging to us at the moment.

When Wheloon came out there was wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Player Base {incl. Known Power Gamers!} over the INSANE Red Alert Scaling, the Chains, the DoTs etc. etc.
AND THAT WAS JUST ON HEROIC!!!

Calling Wheloon not challenging just shows how out of touch you are with the majority of the Player Base!

[LordKalkin]

I thought you guys said: "We will concentrate on creating more end-game so players will have enough content to play with when the cap will be raised to 30". I see you say one thing and then make another. Wasn't expecting any better honestly.

Still would like to see an answer whether ToEE will be the only quest coming for Update 25 or not.

Or not.

What you and Cetus and others with blinders on seem to believe is that they will exclusively concentrate on end game content. Nowhere was that said or implied.

[Hendrik]

Excited to see some concept art and/or screenshots of Zuggtmoy and/or Iuz.

Just hope the DEVs can do ToEE justice. They did for Haunted Halls and have faith they can and will for ToEE.

Have very high expectations after HH not to mention ToEE one of THE best modules ever created.

Do it right and do it big!