Human Shintao Assassin 13 rog 6 monk 1 fighter

[jeremyt]

So as I gathered PLs for my monk completionist toon one standout life that really played well for me was a build like this, except I went warforge for tactics and level drain immunity.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 268
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 19
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            15                    22
Constitution         14                    17
Intelligence         14                    17
Wisdom               14                    19
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    30
Bluff                -1                     5
Concentration         2                    21
Diplomacy            -1                    24
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                3                    26
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  6                    30
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  7                    12
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         6                    36
Open Lock             6                    30
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                    27
Spot                  2                     5
Swim                  7                    16
Tumble                6                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Shintao Monk I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I

So far as I know assassinate still doesn't work with unarmed and as far as i know thats WAI. So this build relies very heavily on just stunning things and letting the SA damage be multiplied for quick kills. Human brings heal amp with it along with the healthy dose of skills. ivy wraps + heal curse should be all this toon needs

Both epic stat level ups would go to strength. Just squeaking toon by 23 str and 21 dex requirements for his epic feats (overwhelming crit and epic SA respectively)

[jeremyt]

Head____GS smoke HP
Neck____Shintao
Trink____+8 wis planar focus SA damage
Cloak____Adamantine cloak of the Bear
Belt_____Spare hand w/ heavy fort and +1 wis slotted
Ring#1__Shintao w/holy B
Ring#2__Stalker w/ GFL + 6 cha
Glove___PDK
Boots___Treads of Falling Shadow/Madstone/GS trip pos air haste clickie/Cha skills
Bracer__lev 25 bracers of the twisting shade / 20% heal amp + superior parrying w/ guild aug slot (when i find one) secondary option
Armor___Spider spun w/ +3 wis
Goggles_Tharnes
Main wraps: Upgraded Antipode

So I did outline with the 1 rog and fighter PLs as that is what I just TRed. Retiring an old q-staff build for something i feel i will play more actively.

[Saurec]

Seeing as you want to focus on stunning and getting sneak attacks off, wouldn't it be a good idea to add some extra fortification bypass? The Precision feat would grant you 25% bypass, 5% bonus to hit and no drawbacks other than having to use it instead of Power Attack for heavy-fort targets - could still keep PA on when the bypass isn't useful of course (I'd probably switch Quickdraw or Sneak of Shadows for it, unless you get a monk past life - in which case I'd switch both in order to get the extra unarmed damage as well).

Unless you really need/want FoL/Immunity to Command-type spells/Light finishers I'd also suggest going with Ninja Spy I instead for the +1d6 sneak attack and 25% incorporeality - you already have Dodge which is a prerequisite for it.

In addition to that, I'd probably change the stat focus to wisdom and take Vorpal Strikes instead of Overwhelming Critical, would let you bypass slashing DR as well as add vorpal to your attacks and increase your chance of stunning targets.

EDIT: Brain fart, forgot about Vorpal Strikes requiring level 12 of Monk /Thanks DethTrip


Well, that's my suggestions anyway based on the general idea you seemed to be going for with the build - good luck with the character ^^

[DethTrip]

Vorpal strikes requires 12 levels of monk iirc.

[unbongwah]

Vorpal strikes requires 12 levels of monk iirc.

And WIS 23, neither of which this build will hit. OTOH, w/so many rog lvls, he could add Imp Sneak Atk if he can find a way to hit base DEX 21.

[Saurec]

Vorpal strikes requires 12 levels of monk iirc.

Ah, overlooked that when I made those suggestions - Overwhelming Critical might actually be the only useful option in terms of epic feats - personally I'd still go for a more wis-based build though. Perhaps that's where Precision could fit in? Depends on how much up-front melee damage you're willing to sacrifice to secure sneak attacks.

As for the matter of reaching 23 wis as unbongwah mentioned: It's simple, Drop STR to 14 and up wis to 16. Not that you'll need to reach 23 wis without Vorpal Strikes though.

[jeremyt]

Hey folks, thanks for looking over the build.

Saurec: With such solid +wis gear (+8, +3 and +1 all covered) along with APs invested and the absolute top notch tactical monk gear and running legendary tactics twist and in grandmaster I think I invested enough resources into the tactical DCs and thus shouldnt be more wis based, losing EiN DCs hurts, but his tactic #s should be very adequate.
wis 14 base + 4 tome + 2 enhancements +12 gear +2 ship +2 yugo = 36
stun DC 25 (levels) +10 wraps +6 cloak +6 twist + 13 Wis bonus +1 fighter PL +3 grandmaster = 64 stun DC. 61 DC while im slumming it with a +3 tome and not drinking a yugo pot.

As far as your feat advice, ya, if i had the 12 levels I would totally go that route, but as pointed out, just not an available option. Plus the OC/Improved SA combo really is a nice setup

and as far as i have counted this toon should qualify for both right? 16 base str +3 tome +4 level ups =23 check
15 base dex +4 tome + 2 level ups = 21= bazinga?

[Munkenmo]

I'd ditch shintao 1 in favor of ninja spy.

fists of light isn't that great at cap vs the extra stacking sneak attack damage / incorp clicky.

If you really just prefer being a light path monk, that's cool, I'd still advise dropping shintao 1 in favor of any other enhancement you could spend points on.

[jeremyt]

yeah been thinking that as well, ftd. except i do disagree with heal curse being not great at cap..actually with 4s and 8s or even better 5s and 10s, its a very large amount of incoming HP with monk attack speed

that being said im agreeding first tier shintao is all fluff and no fun toys, all the goodies are at 2 and 3. So choice is to drop it, and just keep light path for heal curses and buffs. Or swap heal for incorp and the extra SA damage.

Issue with ninja is its 8 AP total for 1d6 and the 25% incorp clickie.

Granted its a pretty solid bonus and the SA fits nicely into the whole theme im running here...but thats 8 AP and loss of heal curse and buffs...he just TRed out of a 6 monk ninja spy build, and I did enjoy it.

I could dump rogue haste boost when the twists are 100% sorted. Thats 6 AP added to shintao 4 and thats over what ninja spy needs...but still lose the heals and buffs.

Was also thinking about swapping the preferred stance from wind to fire, freeing up need to have a ki generation item, and first tier sun stance is same as second, frees up another 2 AP. This change would facilitate using jidz bracers (already crafted on this toon, and 10/20% heal amp DT (already crafted) along with PDK gaunts (already crafted) for a truly solid heal amp number (311%). With rogue scroll mastery 1 get over healed with scrolls

the swap to fire stance is also supported with the grandmaster fire stance bonus being quite powerful. maybe more-so than the 3% air stance doublestrike bonus.

[Saurec]

The swap to fire stance is also supported with the grandmaster fire stance bonus being quite powerful. maybe more-so than the 3% air stance doublestrike bonus.

Keep in mind that you lose 2 wisdom by being in Fire Stance, although your stun DC breakdown looked pretty solid so you could probably live without it. For times when you don't have haste you could look into Fabricator's Gauntlets for the 10% melee alacrity, in case you miss the attack speed of Wind Stance and don't need the healing amp your PDK Gloves grants you.

[zarthak]

im doing that build and i believe 1 arti instead if fighter will help you more, no fail heal scrolls before level 20

[jeremyt]

should have no fail heal scrolls by level 15 or 16 anyways? I dont get how arti would be more beneficial to this build? rog levels = already max UMD ranks, rogue levels = scroll mastery.

All i can see with arti is 1 lower BAB, 1 less feat and a puppy?

[Feralthyrtiaq]

While doing a Black Lotus type build a while back I found that Lootgen and Named HW do NOT work with assassinate...

But....Cannith Crafted ones did.

[unbongwah]

should have no fail heal scrolls by level 15 or 16 anyways? I dont get how arti would be more beneficial to this build? rog levels = already max UMD ranks, rogue levels = scroll mastery.

Arty splash gets you the first rank of Artificer Knowledge: +2 UMD and +1 caster lvl to scrolls.

[jeremyt]

*nod* but since i decided to roll a UMD class (rog) +2 would put me up past any useful range at endgame..i see draw for leveling for sure, but endgame it would only be of any use if i was trying to fire heal scrolls after multiple deaths. The +1 CL of scrolls sounds more handy than the 1 level bump actually is IMO, even the tiniest smidge of heal amp will give a much larger self healing bump. granted i could go arti instead of rog for those goodies over damage, but i decided slightly lower UMD/fluff for mar death dealing