VIP Perk - no BtA

[Hafeal]

It seems to me there is an internal battle at HQ over whether ViPs need to be pursued or not v. pumping Premiums for TPs. The player base certainly has its opinions. I know there has been consistent undercurrent to see better perks for ViPs by that crowd and its supporters. I can't say I disagree as I dropped my sub when I found better value in Premium based on my perception of Turbine's offerings.

In trying to think of a balanced approach, one idea I had which I think would work - and which I do not remember reading it anywhere here, so I apologize to anyone if this has been suggested - would be to allow ViP to avoid all BtC restrictions.

Any gear designated BtC should become BtA for ViP. I think this is a substantive benefit which might entice some Premium back to ViP without upsetting the apple cart overall.

[Munkenmo]

for the most part i'm ok with it, as i don't really agree with BTA

But as for this.

Any gear designated BtC should become BtA for ViP. I think this is a substantive benefit which might entice some Premium back to ViP without upsetting the apple cart overall.

so all raid loot becomes BTA?

yeah...

NO

[zarthak]

all raid loot BTA!! that will make me go yell at people at HQ......soooo.....ummmm.... NO.

[Musouka]

STOP!

Seriously, no matter how you pay for this game, you are not better than anyone else. Even if you don't pay for this game. You are not entitled, and you don't deserve significant advantage over other customers or players.

/not signed

VIPs already get quite a bit, so quit acting like you're getting nothing.

Also, there is nothing wrong with a VIP going premium. You don't know that they just completely stopped paying into the game. If a former VIP goes premium, they have to buy all the content they just lost.

PS: Quit acting like this is a political debate on the inside of Turbine.

[Bloodhaven]

It seems to me there is an internal battle at HQ over whether ViPs need to be pursued or not v. pumping Premiums for TPs. The player base certainly has its opinions. I know there has been consistent undercurrent to see better perks for ViPs by that crowd and its supporters. I can't say I disagree as I dropped my sub when I found better value in Premium based on my perception of Turbine's offerings.

In trying to think of a balanced approach, one idea I had which I think would work - and which I do not remember reading it anywhere here, so I apologize to anyone if this has been suggested - would be to allow ViP to avoid all BtC restrictions.

Any gear designated BtC should become BtA for ViP. I think this is a substantive benefit which might entice some Premium back to ViP without upsetting the apple cart overall.

Even after buying all of the content in the game I would go VIP for this.

[Musouka]

Even after buying all of the content in the game I would go VIP for this.

So the slogan is:

"Go VIP, so you can twink all your characters with just your WF Palemaster."

[shadereaper33]

/not signed. I don't think that someone who chooses to pay $10/month is entitled to this kind of a power boost just because they choose to pay $10/month rather than $50-60 every three months on a TP sale. The only change to item binding that I could support would be a change to BtC items to make them BtA on acquire, BtC on equip.

[Musouka]

I wouldn't mind an item in the store that would change Bound status of items... then VIPs have something to spend their TP on.

[Hafeal]

so all raid loot becomes BTA?

yeah...

NO

Based on what many post in these fine forums, Raiding is Dead, and the Loot Unimpressive, so why the concern?

I am not worried about someone being able to move a piece of Raid loot around from one of their characters to another. I'm just not.

[Hafeal]

Even after buying all of the content in the game I would go VIP for this.

And I think this response should be the one that perks up the Power That Be.

[Munkenmo]

Based on what many post in these fine forums, Raiding is Dead, and the Loot Unimpressive, so why the concern?

I am not worried about someone being able to move a piece of Raid loot around from one of their characters to another. I'm just not.

i have the hope that oneday the devs will get replaced with people who have a clue how to make a good raid and good loot.

when that day comes, i'd like to have a viable reason to run anything other than all fvs/pm/sorc groups.

[Forgeborn]

Any gear designated BtC should become BtA for ViP. I think this is a substantive benefit which might entice some Premium back to ViP without upsetting the apple cart overall.

Just no, binding status on an item should be the same no matter what 'subscription type' you have, subscribers (as VIP is so not what it should be called) should adhere by the same rules as premium players and free to players.

[muny21]

/no
/never
/not signed.

Seriously though, you really think VIPEEs deserve something as game breaking as this?
And you want Premiums, that spent hundreds of dollars buying packs, account upgrades, and what not, to be forced into paying for the game again!

As Chris Berman would say, "C'mon Man!"

[Hafeal]

Just no, binding status on an item should be the same no matter what 'subscription type' you have, subscribers (as VIP is so not what it should be called) should adhere by the same rules as premium players and free to players.

I disagree. Different subscription rights or pay options result in different benefits. Happens everyday in other product lines and service industries. The idea that MMOs are different is incorrect, imo.

[Hafeal]

Seriously though, you really think VIPEEs deserve something as game breaking as this?

Lol. I do not see it as game breaking and other than emotional responses in this thread, I have not seen any reason given which leads me to believe it is game breaking. At all.

[Tshober]

/not signed

[Dysmetria]

And I think this response should be the one that perks up the Power That Be.

No, this response should be the one to do so:

I wouldn't mind an item in the store that would change Bound status of items... then VIPs have something to spend their TP on.

VIPs do not need any more perks. Any VIPs that think they do should cancel their subscriptions and go premium.

[Forgeborn]

I disagree. Different subscription rights or pay options result in different benefits. Happens everyday in other product lines and service industries. The idea that MMOs are different is incorrect, imo.

Correct, and VIP get more then premium, elite open, slightly faster movement intown, and 500 tp a month, which combined are already a good perk for the 'cost' of $10,- a month.

[MeliCat]

Go VIP.

Shift all BTC stuff to chars I want it on.

Cancel sub.


Much as I love the idea (particularly on my melees who are less wanted in raids) is just to open to abuse.

Sadly it doesn't work :/

[Hafeal]

Coming up with a problem and then stating there is no solution is just cynicism.

Certainly, BtA status could be made contingent on maintaining account status as ViP. I am confident enough in computer programmers to counter such an attempted to maneuver.

Go VIP.

Shift all BTC stuff to chars I want it on.

Cancel sub.


Much as I love the idea (particularly on my melees who are less wanted in raids) is just to open to abuse.

Sadly it doesn't work :/

P.S. Also, for example, you could also tie it to a 6 or 12 month subscription.