What was broken with Zen Archery?

[Thrudh]

From the latest release notes.

NEW: The benefits of Zen Archery and Brutal Throw now apply to characters that have the feat.

What benefits were not getting applied?

[Cordovan]

As I read the bug report on it, in some cases where the primary ability score was less than 10, it was not properly using the feat-specified ability score for the attack bonus. So, for Zen Archery, if you (for some reason) had a Dex of 8, it was not always using Wisdom instead of Dex for the attack bonus.

[Thrudh]

As I read the bug report on it, in some cases where the primary ability score was less than 10, it was not properly using the feat-specified ability score for the attack bonus. So, for Zen Archery, if you (for some reason) had a Dex of 8, it was not always using Wisdom instead of Dex for the attack bonus.

Thanks for the explanation!

[jakeelala]

you should also have it generate ki

[edgarallanpoe]

you should also have it generate ki

+1

[Cyr]

you should also have it generate ki

Yup, silly me I assumed that was what was wrong with the feat.

[NytCrawlr]

you should also have it generate ki

Put me on the list for wanting it to do this as well.

[Ravoc-DDO]

you should also have it generate ki

no, generating ki requires physical contact

[Hikup]

no, generating ki requires physical contact

One would think it requires the use of a ki weapon.

you should also have it generate ki

/signed

[irivan]

/signed that it should generate KI.

should also be able to apply monk special ki attacks to arrows

[Thrudh]

/signed that it should generate KI.

should also be able to apply monk special ki attacks to arrows

Heh, Touch of Death with a Slayer arrow at the same time Lightning Strike procs?? (and what the heck, throw in a Greater Bane Arrow too!)

And powergamers would STILL claim that ranged does sucky DPS.

[xoowak]

In that case shurikens should also generate ki.

[Havok.cry]

/signed to zen Ki gen

[QuantumFX]

Heh, Touch of Death with a Slayer arrow at the same time Lightning Strike procs?? (and what the heck, throw in a Greater Bane Arrow too!)

And powergamers would STILL claim that ranged does sucky DPS.

You forgot: In Earth 3 Stance.

[jakeelala]

i didnt say all special attacks had to work (though I think they should with WSS and things like quivering palm and TOD).

If they generated Ki, very little would change, except some monk archer build would be happy. The game would be .0001% more balanced.

Dog forbid that should ever happen.

[Ravoc-DDO]

One would think it requires the use of a ki weapon.

If that ki weapon serves as an extension of yourself to make physical contact, then yes. But that does not hold true for ranged. Monks are mainly melee centric.

[Auran82]

I have always seen Ki as being that the monk is one with his weapon, and is building focus and control through wielding the weapon. Hence why the amount of Ki you can keep hold of is determined by your concentration score, noting really to do with building energy through physical contact.

Even the name, 'Zen archery', doesn't that more or less mean that you are one with the Bow and are in perfect harmony with it? Why not allow monks to build Ki if they are using any centered weapon and also imbue the elemental strikes on the arrows/shurikens as they fire/throw them?

My AA had a spare feat when I was levelling so I took Zen archery, more or less gives me a 'stance' for either +1 to hit (Air) or +1 damage (Fire) I was dissapointed that I couldn't use my bow for the Ki strikes.

[Auran82]

i didnt say all special attacks had to work (though I think they should with WSS and things like quivering palm and TOD).

The reasoning for that is that in PnP, even if a monk is using a Kama, they are still able to strike the enemy with elbows/knees/shins/feet/head/testicles/ear. Quivering palm is striking the enemy is a vulnerable point, starting vibrations through their body which the monk can later use to kill them instantly (getting Ranma 1/2 flashbacks here) and touch of death is, well, a touch, why not allow me to do a Pelvic Thrust of Death™

[Failedlegend]

you should also have it generate ki

Yup, silly me I assumed that was what was wrong with the feat.

Same here when I saw that my Monkchersai almost died of happiness...now he's dying of sadness

Please devs save my Monk he's just too young to die :P

[Ravoc-DDO]

I know you all got happy with the introduction of Zen Archery, and you wanna get even more spoils by piping the entire monk repertoire from melee into ranged through Zen Archery, but that's just wrong. Ki generation & general usage should remain restricted to melee only. If any class would gain such ranged abilities, it should be the ranger imo.