XXX is overpowered

[Burtle]

U5.

And the riots that followed.

Film at 11.

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This, remember when twf tempets where the ******* for melee's and they changed the way they worked from attack speed to chance to proc offhand attacks. How many ppl cried that wasn't a nerf?? hmm... Practically eveysingle twf temepest/kensai did, hell some of the "exploiters" builds either got LR'd to something diff or just waited till 20 and TR to a diff class altogether
And what about vorpal/disruption/banish/smiting.... didn't that get nerfed just recently... Oh and stun effects, no more auto crits...just double damage... and W.O.P's no more deaths from 0 con...

just cuz you got a change in a couple of AOE's doesn't mean that caster's got nerfed...

sides'... it's ONLY a game

*edit* ur kidding s.h.i.z.n.i.t. is censored????

[Oracle_Gil]

umm... sorry to interrupt, but has anybody considered how overpowered UMD is?
still why usually fighters and barbarians dont take it?

[Postumus]

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You see all caster shroud groups on a daily basis, all caster ToDs are less common but still exist, when's the last time you've seen an all melee Shroud, let alone ToD?

Never once seen an all caster Shroud LFM. I've seen screenshots of an all Pale Master shroud... but then I've seen footage of Bigfoot too.

Most Shroud's I see are 80% melee. I've been in a couple that had no arcane whatsoever.

[Viisari]

umm... sorry to interrupt, but has anybody considered how overpowered UMD is?
still why usually fighters and barbarians dont take it?

Because they need rogue or bard levels and a heavy gear investment, including a greensteel item, to get much use out of it. Most of the stuff you could use UMD can be acquired from items (granted some might be difficult to get), so unless you want heal/reconstruct scrolls there's not much point.

[Viisari]

Never once seen an all caster Shroud LFM. I've seen screenshots of an all Pale Master shroud... but then I've seen footage of Bigfoot too.

Most Shroud's I see are 80% melee. I've been in a couple that had no arcane whatsoever.

The reasons for this are very simple.

Most players have more melee characters than they have casters. And the reasons for this are that most classes are melee classes plus casters are more difficult to play well.

Pug leaders are ignorant or wish to make a safer bet on who they're taking in their raid. Having a bad melee player in your party rarely matters as much as having a bad caster in your party.

I have seen several, and been in several caster only shrouds (well one run did have one monk there because he didn't have a caster). They were much faster than your average shroud too.

[ORIGINALBAG0]

Never once seen an all caster Shroud LFM. I've seen screenshots of an all Pale Master shroud... but then I've seen footage of Bigfoot too.

Most Shroud's I see are 80% melee. I've been in a couple that had no arcane whatsoever.

Personally, I just take the first X-number of people that click the LFM and make sure I have at least one divine and one ranger/arcane. The fact of the matter is that casters are too busy soloing epics to join pug Shrouds...

[Oracle_Gil]

Because they need rogue or bard levels and a heavy gear investment, including a greensteel item, to get much use out of it. Most of the stuff you could use UMD can be acquired from items (granted some might be difficult to get), so unless you want heal/reconstruct scrolls there's not much point.

But wizards do sacrifice two lvls for rog to get to be able to use heal scrolls. Its just not them who are not facing difficulties putting in some points, other builds are too. Even when it is not neccesary for melee builds to maximize, unlike casters who have to for their primary stat to have high DC; else their SP required increases logrithmically.

[ExK444]

Pornography is overpowered.

[joneb1999]

Many of the most vocal advocates of nerfing casters play casters, myself included. It's because we play our casters "right" that makes us think they need nerfed.

Perhaps you are still learning?

Or maybe is it because you have optimised, highly raid / epic specced toons with at least 3 greensteels each and forget what its like to not have that? Really the difference is night and day and less experienced and equipped players should not have to suffer due to uber players.

[Cholera]

Star Currently on life 27 of 34.

Lithic's perseverance is OP, can we get a nerf to that?! Maybe?

[irivan]

in red


point is people don't whine and complain they make suggestions that they feel are in the best interest of the game/game balance. You not understanding that is the problem IMO.

Game balance? This is DDO an offshoot of Dungeons and Dragons and being based on that game, balance has no place.

So thus it is whining.


Wake up and realize what game you are playing, maybe read the rules once in a while, then you might get it.

[EpiKagEMO]

/Rant on

.....Cheese and Rice, put on your big boy / girl panties on and play. Next time I will take my caster in a group and just pike to see how far you get....

im pretty certain that the party can get a completion with a fighter filling your spot.

[arcticwolf666]

im pretty certain that the party can get a completion with a fighter filling your spot.

If that is the case, then why are people complaining about casters? MY whole point is to quit crying because one cannot kill as much as the other. As long as the quest is completed, why is it a bother? I know quests can be done without casters.

Things were much better prior to the release of Free to play! People actually played together instead of the "I am more uber than you" mentality.

[Neverwinterer]

In D&D a lvl20 wizard haves a dozen ways to send a lvl20 warriors to the darkest oblivion.
In our high level campaings, the wizard was the one who sent the enemy Cornugons to the plane of happy halflings.
And yet nobody cared, all of us had our role in the group and the adventures where being completed.

DDO is a cooperative game, not a PvP game. Players in a quest shouldn't worry of nothing else than completion and treasure. I believe (but of course I might be wrong) that if someone is asking for nerfing anything it's because they don't see the game as it is: 2-12 players not competing between themselves, but against the environment.

If I was in the army... Would I ask the General to put weaker bullets in the tanks just because I'm in the navy and "I want my part of the cake"? Would I ask for slower planes because they are faster than me? Would I ask for the infantry to be given stones instead of guns? Answer is no.

If one character is too powerfull and bores you.. don't group him, as no one should group anyone who brings boredom to the party. If it is still impossible, better call for improvements in the weaker classes than nerfing the good ones.

I fact, I can guarantee that the best build with 20 past lifes and the best epic items, is worth nothing in the hands of a bad player. So the really overpowered thing here ¡are the players!. And nobody wants turbine to "nerf" us personally, do we?

[arcticwolf666]

in D&d A Lvl20 Wizard Haves A Dozen Ways To Send A Lvl20 Warriors To The Darkest Oblivion.
In Our High Level Campaings, The Wizard Was The One Who Sent The Enemy Cornugons To The Plane Of Happy Halflings.
And Yet Nobody Cared, All Of Us Had Our Role In The Group And The Adventures Where Being Completed.

Ddo Is A Cooperative Game, Not A Pvp Game. Players In A Quest Shouldn't Worry Of Nothing Else Than Completion And Treasure. I Believe (but Of Course I Might Be Wrong) That If Someone Is Asking For Nerfing anything It's Because They Don't See The Game As It Is: 2-12 Players Not Competing Between Themselves, But Against The Environment.

If I Was In The Army... Would I Ask The General To Put Weaker Bullets In The Tanks Just Because I'm In The Navy And "i Want My Part Of The Cake"? Would I Ask For Slower Planes Because They Are Faster Than Me? Would I Ask For The Infantry To Be Given Stones Instead Of Guns? Answer Is No.

If One Character Is Too Powerfull And Bores You.. Don't Group Him, As No One Should Group Anyone Who Brings Boredom To The Party. If It Is Still Impossible, Better Call For Improvements In The Weaker Classes Than Nerfing The Good Ones.

I Fact, I Can Guarantee That The Best Build With 20 Past Lifes And The Best Epic Items, Is Worth Nothing In The Hands Of A Bad Player. So The Really Overpowered Thing Here ¡are The Players!. And Nobody Wants Turbine To "nerf" Us Personally, Do We?

Qft!

[Burtle]

In D&D a lvl20 wizard haves a dozen ways to send a lvl20 warriors to the darkest oblivion.
In our high level campaings, the wizard was the one who sent the enemy Cornugons to the plane of happy halflings.
And yet nobody cared, all of us had our role in the group and the adventures where being completed.

DDO is a cooperative game, not a PvP game. Players in a quest shouldn't worry of nothing else than completion and treasure. I believe (but of course I might be wrong) that if someone is asking for nerfing anything it's because they don't see the game as it is: 2-12 players not competing between themselves, but against the environment.

If I was in the army... Would I ask the General to put weaker bullets in the tanks just because I'm in the navy and "I want my part of the cake"? Would I ask for slower planes because they are faster than me? Would I ask for the infantry to be given stones instead of guns? Answer is no.

If one character is too powerfull and bores you.. don't group him, as no one should group anyone who brings boredom to the party. If it is still impossible, better call for improvements in the weaker classes than nerfing the good ones.

I fact, I can guarantee that the best build with 20 past lifes and the best epic items, is worth nothing in the hands of a bad player. So the really overpowered thing here ¡are the players!. And nobody wants turbine to "nerf" us personally, do we?

Meh... Nerf em all I say... *looks around for his cup'o Joe* and tell them kids to get off my lawn!

[Philibusta]

If I was in the army... Would I ask the General to put weaker bullets in the tanks just because I'm in the navy and "I want my part of the cake"?

Then again, if you were in the army...you wouldn't be in the navy. You'd be in...the army.

[grgurius]

Then again, if you were in the army...you wouldn't be in the navy. You'd be in...the army.

Cmon, don't bring logic into one of these debates, they were doing fine even without it.

[redwolf51]

Just a idea,Make every class uber but hand out hit to Xp like pop rocks. That will shut them up. jk maybe?

[rimble]

We talkin' Ice Cube or Vin Diesel?