Ice storm slot for sorc

[Asketes]

fireshield scrolls are more than cheap

[Matuse]

And the bludgon from spells like meteor and also including the new ice storm.

Well, for starters, stoneskin does nothing to stop the blunt damage from meteor swarm and ice storm. It should, just just monster DR should stop damage from blade barriers and player spells.

But it doesn't.

Stoneskin from wands is fine. Many players don't even really benefit from stoneskin. I have to BEG the arcanes in my groups to stop wasting stoneskin on me, because it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for my 20 FvS. Nothing. No protection of any kind whatsoever. But they have a pavlovian need to cast it anyway. Maybe if they are taking ice storm over it, I'll get to stop *****ing people out for wasting their resources.

[Carpone]

fireshield scrolls are more than cheap

Dumping Fireshield for Ice Storm is fine. However be aware that casting from scrolls in part2 of Tower of Despair is a good way to die. Scrolls take too long to cast when you're kiting, and you can expect to refresh it at least twice from scrolls due to it's much shorter duration. You don't need Fireshield to kite (even on elite), but all the absorption options add up to help prevent lag-induced wipes. (Lag is horrible in ToD on Orien; YMMV.)

[Draccus]

And its more or less the opposite, as sorc you love to be forced to sacrifices. What spells best needed as often as possible? Any so critically needed seldom so you want/need it anyway? What can be used as scroll/clickies instead and so on...

Its fun! Its long term strategy and thats whats one of the defining differences between sorc and wizzzie, but it must be discussed what to drop ofc when da new ubba spell hit next update.

(And seriously its needed more good lvl5 spells imho, nps at all at that lvl :-)

Exactly! That's why my only alt is a sorc. My main character is a rogue and, while not the most versatile character in the game, is certainly not a one trick pony. DPS is my main focus but I can also self heal, teleport, disable traps, open locks, dance in AOE hell, move around unseen, and insta-kill.

But a sorc is the barbarian of casters. Focused on one and only one thing: blowing stuff up. Our response to virtually every problem is to blow stuff up. Playing a versatile, multifaceted character is fun. But playing a single-minded, focused character is fun...and different.

[Phemt81]

Has anyone thought about how ice storm will fit onto a standard sorc?

You get 4 level 4 slots.

Firewall
Dimension door
Stoneskin
Fireshield

Which one do we give up?

You could actually take Dimensional Door as a dragonmark if you are human

[azrael4h]

You could actually take Dimensional Door as a dragonmark if you are human

And what feats will you be giving up? Empower? Maximize? Quicken?

I say it's a good thing that there is a serious discussion on what spells to slot at level 4. Lets get to that point at every level, and we'll be doing good.

[Phemt81]

And what feats will you be giving up? Empower? Maximize? Quicken?

I say it's a good thing that there is a serious discussion on what spells to slot at level 4. Lets get to that point at every level, and we'll be doing good.

I don' t get your question, i thought the problem was the reduced sorcerer' s spells slots. We should think what feats suit best our way to play the game, of course.

Maybe you consider those metamagic feats indispensable, right?

I honestly don' t know for sure, don' t have played an arcane caster yet

[fuzzy1guy]

And what feats will you be giving up? Empower? Maximize? Quicken?

I say it's a good thing that there is a serious discussion on what spells to slot at level 4. Lets get to that point at every level, and we'll be doing good.

Well.. we're pretty much there... lvl 2, 3, now 4, 6, 7, and 9 are all tight for what i'd like to have around.

lvl 6 is by far the worst... 3 slots. alot more than 3 spells.

1, 5, and 8 left. 1 is a joke. 5 is ALOT of stuff but nothing required. 8 is 'normal'.


I'd still love the option to cram a lower lvl spell into a higher level slot. that would pretty much tighten it all up by filling in at 5 and 8. Even for a sp increase it would be nice.

[sirgog]

fireshield scrolls are more than cheap

And interruptable, and take a full two seconds to cast (one to equip, one to cast) instead of a third of a second.

Spending a full second casting a Fireshield scroll while six Shadowfiends are breathing down your neck is a Bad Thing.


Not saying you can't ditch the spell, but it is quite a big loss.

[sirgog]

Well, for starters, stoneskin does nothing to stop the blunt damage from meteor swarm and ice storm. It should, just just monster DR should stop damage from blade barriers and player spells.

But it doesn't.

Stoneskin from wands is fine. Many players don't even really benefit from stoneskin. I have to BEG the arcanes in my groups to stop wasting stoneskin on me, because it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for my 20 FvS. Nothing. No protection of any kind whatsoever. But they have a pavlovian need to cast it anyway. Maybe if they are taking ice storm over it, I'll get to stop *****ing people out for wasting their resources.

I've almost given up on asking people 'do not stoneskin, blur, fire resist, barkskin or elec resist me'.

[quityourjobs]

Sorcs having to make tough decisions about what spells they choose? Seems about right.

[irivan]

I know how they will do it~~

true reincarnate into a wizard and get it over with already.

Yet another reason why Wizards just own Sorcs!!!

[MysteryNotes]

Has anyone thought about how ice storm will fit onto a standard sorc?

You get 4 level 4 slots.

Firewall
Dimension door
Stoneskin
Fireshield

Which one do we give up?

Sure you can stoneskin scroll. For much lower damage absorb and duration. And expensive fast to buff the party with who already demand it now. Make yet another greensteel for a clicky like the melee all have?

Ddoor scroll? Yeah you can't buy those in the store... 5-10k each on the ah so someone can jump out of the shroud fast? lol. no. Save that walk back thru quest X? Nope.

Fireshield? Maybe.. if you don't plan on being the ToD kite. Or going anywhere with massive fire damage. Or if the monsters also get this same upgrade to ice storm.. Noplace with casters who have lvl 4 spells avail. Most anyplace starting in gianthold and above. Half damage for fire/cold is just far too useful in many places.

Firewall? Get rid of the other good spell you're already specced for? That lasts much longer than ice storm?


Looking like dimension door won't be an option anymore from your party sorc...

So..let me get this straight.
You're dumping a DDOOR, which is very rare in scroll form for...a wandable stoneskin...

Why complain so much about spell slots?
Roll a wizard.
Everyone has to make compromises.

[Draccus]

I know how they will do it~~

true reincarnate into a wizard and get it over with already.

Yet another reason why Wizards just own Sorcs!!!

Sorcs use scrolls because they have fewer spell slots. But wizards use scrolls because they are always out of spell points

[bryanmeerkat]

Why complain so much about spell slots?
Roll a wizard.

Dont really know if I have seen anyone complaining here , people have been discussing what they are going to drop and how best to compensate , but I dont think anyone has said
OMG fix sorcs now we needz more spell slotz 1!11!

[ZodacBKB]

Dont really know if I have seen anyone complaining here , people have been discussing what they are going to drop and how best to compensate , but I dont think anyone has said
OMG fix sorcs now we needz more spell slotz 1!11!

Now now, don't interrupt the wizards that are just trying to enjoy a schadenfreude pie despite everyone being calm and rational.

[Impaqt]

Dumping Fireshield for Ice Storm is fine. However be aware that casting from scrolls in part2 of Tower of Despair is a good way to die. Scrolls take too long to cast when you're kiting, and you can expect to refresh it at least twice from scrolls due to it's much shorter duration. You don't need Fireshield to kite (even on elite), but all the absorption options add up to help prevent lag-induced wipes. (Lag is horrible in ToD on Orien; YMMV.)

Not that big of a deal for most groups...

Scroll it after you drop your walls of fire at the beginning, then rescroll it during the first break after the DM text that you broke his concentration.. Plenty of time to scroll it without worry.

If you need a third scroll, you need more DPS in the group.

[Phidius]

Sorcs use scrolls because they have fewer spell slots. But wizards use pots because they are always out of spell points

Fixed that for you

[karnokvolrath]

My list is-
Stoneskin - Scrolls
Fireshield - Scroll it clickie it whatever.
DD - To annoying to switch this one out constantly.
Firewall - At 1st glance you say *** would you be thinking?! BUT depending on the way this all works out it MAY be a better option to use ice storm (as the dont stack). That said, keep firewall.

IMO it boils down to convenance to you and what you like between fireshield and stoneskin. My vote -drop stoneskin.

[Saravis]

I'm curious what people will be replacing Cone of Cold (lvl 5 spell) with, since I don't see it being useful at all with the new Ice Storm.