Newbs Vs Vet's ye gods make it stop!

[Angel_Barchild]

To keep with the appropriate Khyber drama requirements of posting I would be remiss to not point out that what you meant was actually

ru·in (rōō'ĭn)
n.
Total destruction or disintegration, either physical, moral, social, or economic.

A cause of total destruction.

The act of destroying totally.

A destroyed person, object, or building.

The remains of something destroyed, disintegrated, or decayed. Often used in the plural: studied the ruins of ancient Greece.

v. ru·ined , ru·in·ing , ru·ins

So it is to be said on this day the 9th day of July in the year of our lord 2010

fixed in red

Thank you. I fixed it

[Dark_Helmet]

fine
/rant on

Quit bi*ching. People scream "you noobs get off my lawn" long enough and now the noobs have gone and gotten their own lawn, and it's bigger than yours. Boo Hoo, I am so sad.

Go play the game. It's fun.

/rant off

Not quite:
There is a law against using fertilizers on your lawn because it destroys the environment for everyone else.

They ignore those rules just to grow a bigger lawn and "brag" about how innovative it is to fertilize in that manner.

I don't care if they have a bigger lawn, I just hate how the are fertilizing my environment.

Yeah, use the correct word for fertilizer and you get it.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Not quite:
There is a law against using fertilizers on your lawn because it destroys the environment for everyone else.

They ignore those rules just to grow a bigger lawn and "brag" about how innovative it is to fertilize in that manner.

I don't care if they have a bigger lawn, I just hate how the are fertilizing my environment.

Yeah, use the correct word for fertilizer and you get it.

except:

its not illegal to fertilize ur lawn evrywhere in the world (or in evry state i imagine) :P

[Disavowed]

So what we have here is the typical 'be nice' talk with the inevitible patronising, vague and shallow intolerance is that basically telling people to shut up.

It is far better that we communicate our feelings freely to resolve our conflicts and so learn how to accept each others differences. I would much rather people rant at each other than hold their refuse in their bowels and truly hate each other.

Hi Welcome

I can't think of anything wrong with what you said +1.

[Dark_Helmet]

except:

its not illegal to fertilize ur lawn evrywhere in the world (or in evry state i imagine) :P

True, you can go to another game and s*** on that world all you want.

In this game, it isn't allowed to spam as people have been banned in the past for it.

[Renvar]

What about those of us noobs that have been playing for a while? Where do we stand? On one hand it's "don't come unless you know the high level quest like the back of your hand (healers excluded of course -- you will not be compensated for scrolls and wands used)", and on the other it's "how do I cast a spell?". It is very frustrating at times. I usually stop playing my characters sometime in Gianthold, and work on a different one, since you need epic gear and prior knowledge of a quest to join a party at that level. There are exceptions of course, but generally the whole experience leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I have about 10 characters level 10-15, but none capped.

The bottom line is that we are all here to have fun. What is the problem?

*turtles up against the incoming assault*

The problem is that you haven't found the right people to run with. I'm running a melee TR through gianthold right now with two friends - one on a healer and one a caster. Pick your favorite neglected toon and join us. (Anything you want. all the bases are covered) We will show you the quests and be happy to answer any questions. PM me here on the forums with your usual game times and toon name. We should be on tomorrow (US Eastern time zone).

[SilkofDrasnia]

True, you can go to another game and s*** on that world all you want.

In this game, it isn't allowed to spam as people have been banned in the past for it.

um wow there mister dont get ur panties in a bunch i dont "spam" n never said i was for or against whats being said just.

this is part of the problem, reactions like ur having grow up lol its GAME n fyi im in an old guild thats on the stone and tho im new at this game i enjoy my guildies advice as for spamming LOL its nowhere as bad as u say or evryone claims it is .

its this kind of reaction both in forums and in game that puttin lots of peeps off of older guilds !!!!

[Raegoul]

fine
/rant on

Quit bi*ching. People scream "you noobs get off my lawn" long enough and now the noobs have gone and gotten their own lawn, and it's bigger than yours. Boo Hoo, I am so sad.

Pages and pages of "this is why I don't pug" and "noobs are why I only do guild runs" not to mention thousands of post consisting of nothing more than "how the noob ruined my run" Fine people don't want to play with new players so they got together to form there own guild.

People should be happy right? They got what they wanted. But no now the new players have something cool and we can't have that! No they must go suffer in obscurity untill we grudglingly allow them to the privilege running with us.

A guild full of new players does not affect you in any way. Nope not one little bit. They may have gone and done something diffrent from the standard method of building a guild, but again I say this does not affect you.

Go play the game. It's fun.

/rant off

There is that better?

P.S.
If you are not one of those players engaged in the above stated actions then this is not intended for you.

Yes

[DasLurch]

/boot

Sorry, I could have sworn I heard a 'share plz' in this thread.

Natural reflex.


Unfortunately, I have nothing constructive to add.

+1. Best laugh I've had today.

[TWDiggs1980]

I have no problems with helping new players learn the ropes in this game and the guild that I am currently in Foecleaver is willingy accepting new players; as long as said new players are willing to listen. That is where 90% of the rage comes from when dealing with new players is the fact that they refuse to listen to sound advice from more experienced players. In my personal opinion the guild renown is creating a rift that otherwise wouldn't be there for instance if the newbs had formed up and created a guild before guild renown we would have all been dancing in the streets instead of shaking our fists. I have begun having sudden flashbacks to the couple of months that I played WOW with all the my guild **** floating around. Guilds shouldn't be about prestige it should be about friends with common interests having fun and while the perks that guild renown bring are nice are they truly worth it all in the end if it turns us into another version of WOW.

[anemephistus]

So what we have here is the typical 'be nice' talk with the inevitible patronising, vague and shallow intolerance is that basically telling people to shut up.

It is far better that we communicate our feelings freely to resolve our conflicts and so learn how to accept each others differences. I would much rather people rant at each other than hold their refuse in their bowels and truly hate each other.

Hi Welcome

Patronizing, Acctually I didn't tell anyone what they are far better off doing.

/ Patronizing on

Developmental Stage
& Approximate Age

Intuitive Phase
(4-7 years)

Speech becomes more social, less egocentric. The child has an intuitive grasp of logical concepts in some areas. However, there is still a tendency to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. Concepts formed are crude and irreversible. Easy to believe in magical increase, decrease, disappearance. Reality not firm. Perceptions dominate judgment.

In moral-ethical realm, the child is not able to show the principles underlying best behavior. Rules of a game not developed, only uses simple do's and don'ts imposed by authority.

/ Patronizing off

Source ( http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/...t/piaget.shtml)

[Angel_Barchild]

I have no problems with helping new players learn the ropes in this game and the guild that I am currently in Foecleaver is willingy accepting new players; as long as said new players are willing to listen. That is where 90% of the rage comes from when dealing with new players is the fact that they refuse to listen to sound advice from more experienced players.

All new players do not refuse to listen. The idea that you can lump all new players into one category is simply misguided. Some are stupid and won't listen to good advice and some are not, just like vets. Every single veteran player was new once . At one time all of us sucked at this game (some, like me, still do ) Everyone here made gimp builds, screwed up someone's run, and disregarded advice that they later realized they shouldn't have.

This idea that new players refuse to learn is utter cr@p. Most want to play the game, have fun, and get better at it. Stupid is not somehow relegated to new players. Stupid does not discriminate.

[TWDiggs1980]

All new players do not refuse to listen. The idea that you can lump all new players into one category is simply misguided. Some are stupid and won't listen to good advice and some are not, just like vets. Every single veteran player was new once . At one time all of us sucked at this game (some, like me, still do ) Everyone here made gimp builds, screwed up someone's run, and disregarded advice that they later realized they shouldn't have.

This idea that new players refuse to learn is utter cr@p. Most want to play the game, have fun, and get better at it. Stupid is not somehow relegated to new players. Stupid does not discriminate.

You are right Angel I should not clump all new players into one category and heck I sometimes still make a newb mistake; but after running in countless pug groups I can tell you that there is always atleast one newb that will have you wishing you can put your hand through the mic and rage choke them a day. Sooo, for the most part your more experienced players do only run with guildmembers and friends in order to avoid the rage that a newb might inflict upon them; but in the end you are right we cant expect the newb population to acheive anything if we isolate ourselves from them. All my toons are gimp and I'm proud of that fact and any advice you give disregarded or otherwise is welcome.

[Raegoul]

Patronizing, Acctually I didn't tell anyone what they are far better off doing.

/ Patronizing on

Developmental Stage
& Approximate Age

Intuitive Phase
(4-7 years)

Speech becomes more social, less egocentric. The child has an intuitive grasp of logical concepts in some areas. However, there is still a tendency to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. Concepts formed are crude and irreversible. Easy to believe in magical increase, decrease, disappearance. Reality not firm. Perceptions dominate judgment.

In moral-ethical realm, the child is not able to show the principles underlying best behavior. Rules of a game not developed, only uses simple do's and don'ts imposed by authority.

/ Patronizing off

Source ( http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/...t/piaget.shtml)

no

[Disavowed]

Not quite:
There is a law against using fertilizers on your lawn because it destroys the environment for everyone else.

They ignore those rules just to grow a bigger lawn and "brag" about how innovative it is to fertilize in that manner.

I don't care if they have a bigger lawn, I just hate how the are fertilizing my environment.

Yeah, use the correct word for fertilizer and you get it.

I'd +1 you but it wont let me. Stop saying meaningfull fertilizer so often then I can +1 again.

[Angel_Barchild]

Not quite:
There is a law against using fertilizers on your lawn because it destroys the environment for everyone else.

They ignore those rules just to grow a bigger lawn and "brag" about how innovative it is to fertilize in that manner.

I don't care if they have a bigger lawn, I just hate how the are fertilizing my environment.

Yeah, use the correct word for fertilizer and you get it.

/sarcasm on

You mean someone on Khyber bragged and talked smack!!! Nooooo by the Gods that can not be! It's just not allowed.

/sarcasm off

I'm not sure what rules you are talking about. Maybe you can clarify this for me.
It is clear that their very exsistence annoys you. Squelch and move on.

[rodallec]

yeah shaamis some can act real tough with a keyboard over the net
where no one can really do anything but throw words.
this is all good and whatever if your an insecure git.

those who play for fun, thanks, keep it up.

and to the person who got approx 6 people banned for "bad language" in the abbot channel
on sarlona. thanks i hope your monitor blows up in your face.

[anemephistus]

yeah shaamis some can act real tough with a keyboard over the net
where no one can really do anything but throw words.
this is all good and whatever if your an insecure git.

those who play for fun, thanks, keep it up.

and to the person who got approx 6 people banned for "bad language" in the abbot channel
on sarlona. thanks i hope your monitor blows up in your face.

I also am thankful for shaamis' input (and his signature).
+1 for exploding monitors. If someone doesnt like adult language they should turn the filters on!

Also for your sentament about those who play for fun, I don't understand why anyone would play anything for any other reason. Even the word "play" is indicative of fun. If this game is the only way someone can get an ego boost I can't imagine what their real life must be like.

I am just hoping that people are able to see that the purpose of games is to relax and enjoy. If you put too many requirements and contingencies on how something has to be enjoyed, you limit your enjoyment. Obviously, there are always some requirements, but too many can become a problem.

[Ashurr]

I have a whole bag of "shh" right here * points*

[Angel_Barchild]

I have a whole bag of "shh" right here * points*

Is the amount of "shh" you have, or where you are pointing at relevent to the degrading relationship of new players and veterans? I'm confused now