Gianthold Tor - an ETA?

[TEcarson]

Howdy,

My wife and I turned in all our relics the night that Update 3 was rolled out. We logged off about an hour before the scheduled downtime.

Now GH Tor is "temporarily unavailable".

Is there any word on when it will be available again?

Cheers...

[sirgog]

Howdy,

My wife and I turned in all our relics the night that Update 3 was rolled out. We logged off about an hour before the scheduled downtime.

Now GH Tor is "temporarily unavailable".

Is there any word on when it will be available again?

Cheers...

I think the Devs might be polishing off the Epic difficulty setting on it, and have made changes that have bugged Normal, Hard or Elite. That's just speculation, but I'm expecting that quest to reopen with an extra difficulty setting next time.

[TEcarson]

Thanks for the reply.

Just so curious to see what's behind the big door! LOL

Cheers...

[sirgog]

Thanks for the reply.

Just so curious to see what's behind the big door! LOL

Cheers...

It's a very, very, VERY long quest. The first third of it sees you fighting giants, undead giants, and a couple of other foes (all have pretty high HP and are immune to instant-kill effects). The remaining two thirds (which occurs as optional objectives after quest completion) pit you against three young dragons. The blue dragon has excellent loot, the others have chaff.

[Shade]

Incorrect speculation.

The ONLY, and must stress ONLY reason you and your wife are prevented from playing this content you have puchased is a marketing ploy by Turbine bonehead's in charge of this.

I was inside and fully completed the quest, there were no bugs, not on any difficulty.

The reason you cannot play:

One dev at Turbine completed designin the epic mode for thiis quest some months ago and decided to release it to the well deserving players, The quest was fully complete, QA tested and a forum thread placed for freedback and almost all items stats even imported into the compedium. There was probably no proper communication about doing this to the lead devs/management. So despite clear reports about it being available, it was released to live fully intact. Players got in and played it, and again reported it on the forums..

This time around the DDO store marketing boneheads read the forum message, and decided that because they *MIGHT* make more money by releasing a full Gianthold Epic update at once, rather then 1 quest at time.. No one was allowed to play this on epic, not on live anyways. Thus the quest would simply be disabled preventing access on all difficulties solving that problem.. Not really caring what ramifications this had on any players wanting to play the regular difficulties that they purchased to play.

To make a long story short:
Greed is the reason you cannot play.

[Sir_Chonas]

Do we know for sure they're releasing all GH quests as epic? In the sands you can only play the flags and raid on Epic, so I'm wondering if the same will happen to GH.

[Tarrant]

I generally hold myself back from debunking the interesting conspiracy theories we see on the forums, but Shade, your explanation for the quest closure is incorrect. There was no Epic version of the quest available for player testing and no forum threads were put up for player feedback.

More importantly is that players were able to access Gianthold Tor on a higher difficulty level (epic) than should have been available, and we don't have the ability to turn off only Epic mode in the way that we can turn off Casual mode. This had the potential for enough problems that we had to close off the quest.

At the moment there's no ETA for its return but we're working on it. Sorry again!

[Robi3.0]

Incorrect speculation.

The ONLY, and must stress ONLY reason you and your wife are prevented from playing this content you have puchased is a marketing ploy by Turbine bonehead's in charge of this.

I was inside and fully completed the quest, there were no bugs, not on any difficulty.

The reason you cannot play:

One dev at Turbine completed designin the epic mode for thiis quest some months ago and decided to release it to the well deserving players, The quest was fully complete, QA tested and a forum thread placed for freedback and almost all items stats even imported into the compedium. There was probably no proper communication about doing this to the lead devs/management. So despite clear reports about it being available, it was released to live fully intact. Players got in and played it, and again reported it on the forums..

This time around the DDO store marketing boneheads read the forum message, and decided that because they *MIGHT* make more money by releasing a full Gianthold Epic update at once, rather then 1 quest at time.. No one was allowed to play this on epic, not on live anyways. Thus the quest would simply be disabled preventing access on all difficulties solving that problem.. Not really caring what ramifications this had on any players wanting to play the regular difficulties that they purchased to play.

To make a long story short:
Greed is the reason you cannot play.

That is a nice theory, but Turbine was able to turn off casual mode. So I see no reason why they would not have built in the same fail safe for epic. Just because know one stumble across a bug doesn't mean that there wasn't one there. Turbine may have closed Tor down to plug an exploit they were aware of but the public wasn't given time to figure out. It is really impossible to know why Turbine closed the quest unless they come out and tell us. I could be wrong, but you could be as well.

Edit: LOL see I was somewhat wrong, but you were to.

[Shade]

That is a nice theory, but Turbine was able to turn off casual mode. So I see no reason why they would not have built in the same fail safe for epic. Just because know one stumble across a bug doesn't mean that there wasn't one there. Turbine may have closed Tor down to plug an exploit they were aware of but the public wasn't given time to figure out. It is really impossible to know why Turbine closed the quest unless they come out and tell us. I could be wrong, but you could be as well.

Do you work for Turbine?

If not, Is it fun to come up with 100% totally pointless, illogical arguements that no one in their right mind could understand?

The difference is yours is a theory that you made up for who knows what reason. And mine's the only logical explanation.

[Shade]

There was no Epic version of the quest available for player testing and no forum threads were put up for player feedback.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=224283

This just prooves my theory was 100% correct Tarrant.

Also further shows the sad reality of you guys never read the Lamannia forum.

Give it a browse once in a while and major issues like this, the casual mode bug, and all other serious issues brought out on Lamannia could be avoided.

If you really want. I'll pull up a screenshot of the Feedback thread Tolero posted (and quickly deleted within 24 hours). Tho it would be easier if you just asked her yourself.

But honestly, who are we kidding here? Your doing your job in posting misleading information to try to cover up a mistake by Turbine, and I get that.. But we both know the truth here and it doesn't take a Rocket scientist to figure this one out.

IMO best thing to do here is if you honestly think what you posted was true is to go talk to Tolero who posted the thread, and the dev who designed the quest and relased it.. And figure it out all out.

Then come back and tell us. Just why, exactly, and honestly, why we can't play the quest.. And maybe even hint at WHEN we can play the quest as the OP asked.

[Tarrant]

There's a pretty big difference between an official thread put up for player feedback and a thread but up by a player giving feedback, although we do appreciate the latter.

There's also a difference between us not reading the Lamannia forums and not seeing every single post made there. As much as we'd love to be able to cover them all, it's just not possible. That's why we strongly encourage you all to file bugs along with posting them to the forums.

Tolero's feedback thread was removed because there was no Epic Gianthold Tor. The difficulty option is there, but there incorrectly.

I'd love to give an ETA on when Gianthold will be available again, but we're not ready to give out dates yet.

[Robi3.0]

Do you work for Turbine?

If not, Is it fun to come up with 100% totally pointless, illogical arguements that no one in their right mind could understand?

The difference is yours is a theory that you made up for who knows what reason. And mine's the only logical explanation.

I find it somewhat amusing to type anything that I post on the internet; If I didn't I wouldn't bother spending the time to post it.

And what I said wasn't really a theory it was more of me pointing that you can't possibly know all the information it would take to say without a doubt that your theory was anything more then tinfoil hat logic. The fact that you think someone in the marketing department was the cause of this is what made me lol. Do you work for Turbine? Hmm.. I guess you made that up? An Ap getting Epic does increase its value, but Turbine hasn't raised the price of APs once they get Epic so explain to how you think that Turbine will make more money if Epic was released all at once instead of quest by quest. Especial Gianthold since it is one of the most popular adventure packs. Premium/f2p player have been getting that because it fills the quest gap between F2p content and the Vale and contains an end game raid. Gianthold isn't VoN having an Epic mode really isn't going to make it that much more important than it already is.

As Tarrant pointed out half the "facts" you were using to support your theory were incorrect anyhow.

[Shade]

As much as we'd love to be able to cover them all, it's just not possible.

Hire Borror0 or any other forum poster with similar postcount.. They will help blur the line between what you believe is possible and not possible. =) Pretty sure he could handle that forum, and probably a dozen others with flawless accuracy. Or at least enough to skim the thread titles (all 1-10 per day) I know, an impossible amount of text for mere humans, but Borror0, who said he was human?

That's why we strongly encourage you all to file bugs along with posting them to the forums.

I'd link another thread where I proved most bug reports never reach the devs, but I figure I've done enough damage for one day. Just ask MadFloyd about supreme cleave if you need confirmation on this issue.

Tolero's feedback thread was removed because there was no Epic Gianthold Tor.

Tolero is a conspiracy theorist too then, she made the the whole thing up ? I knew she was allot like me. It all makes sense now.

[Lerincho]

Hire Borror0 or any other forum poster with similar postcount.. They will help blur the line between what you believe is possible and not possible. =) Pretty sure he could handle that forum, and probably a dozen others with flawless accuracy. Or at least enough to skim the thread titles (all 1-10 per day) I know, an impossible amount of text for mere humans, but Borror0, who said he was human?
So you are a human resource consultant? Are you going to personally fund the position in which you are hiring Borror0 for? Are you on the Turbine's board of directors and in a position in which you can order them to do anything?

Tolero is a conspiracy theorist too then, she made the the whole thing up ? I knew she was allot like me. It all makes sense now.

So a moderate has not only once, but twice flat out shot you down telling you that Epic for Tor was NOT suppose to be released with Update 3, that Epic on TOR was NOT suppose to be available to the players, AND that Epic is NOT something that they can just turn on and off like casual; yet this proves you are right on what? Other than wasting Tarrants time by making him come in here just to offer rebuttle to your absurd comments.

[Cholera]

[...] wasting Tarrants time by making him come in here just to offer rebuttle to your absurd comments.

I dunno. I liked reading the debate. One cannot deny that, in business, profit is the primary motivator and devs do not make the final decisions - the execs do. If there was a path to maximizing profit by manipulating content release, even if it is an inconvenience to players, why wouldn't the execs order it? There is, after all, plenty for the customer to do outside of that quest line – it would hardly be a crippling move.

Now, this isn’t to say I know what’s going on. I don't. From my cursory take, I can't pretend that I know Shade is right (or wrong) but the same holds true for Tarrant. Shade's supposition appears to be a sound one but then, so does Tarrant's. And so it goes. I, for one, appreciate the contributions of both parties.

[sirgog]

Incorrect speculation.

The ONLY, and must stress ONLY reason you and your wife are prevented from playing this content you have puchased is a marketing ploy by Turbine bonehead's in charge of this.

I was inside and fully completed the quest, there were no bugs, not on any difficulty.

The reason you cannot play:

One dev at Turbine completed designin the epic mode for thiis quest some months ago and decided to release it to the well deserving players, The quest was fully complete, QA tested and a forum thread placed for freedback and almost all items stats even imported into the compedium. There was probably no proper communication about doing this to the lead devs/management. So despite clear reports about it being available, it was released to live fully intact. Players got in and played it, and again reported it on the forums..

This time around the DDO store marketing boneheads read the forum message, and decided that because they *MIGHT* make more money by releasing a full Gianthold Epic update at once, rather then 1 quest at time.. No one was allowed to play this on epic, not on live anyways. Thus the quest would simply be disabled preventing access on all difficulties solving that problem.. Not really caring what ramifications this had on any players wanting to play the regular difficulties that they purchased to play.

To make a long story short:
Greed is the reason you cannot play.

No bugs you noticed doesn't mean no bugs. IIRC your group wiped on the first dragon you attempted - the dragon chests may be unable to be opened, or may be accidentally dropping too many scales, or there may not yet be fully designed Epic Dragonscale Armor (the Devs may want to know if they've set the grinding bar too high or too low with the Flawless Red Dragonscales). Or one of the other dragons may be glitching and resetting at 100% health without reason.

Or, it could be a way to force F2P'ers that have bought nothing but GH to buy another pack, as the Tor is the only quest in that pack that's even remotely challenging to run on higher difficulties when you outlevel it. But that's only going to backfire anyway.

[smatt]

Incorrect speculation.

The ONLY, and must stress ONLY reason you and your wife are prevented from playing this content you have puchased is a marketing ploy by Turbine bonehead's in charge of this.

I was inside and fully completed the quest, there were no bugs, not on any difficulty.

The reason you cannot play:

One dev at Turbine completed designin the epic mode for thiis quest some months ago and decided to release it to the well deserving players, The quest was fully complete, QA tested and a forum thread placed for freedback and almost all items stats even imported into the compedium. There was probably no proper communication about doing this to the lead devs/management. So despite clear reports about it being available, it was released to live fully intact. Players got in and played it, and again reported it on the forums..

This time around the DDO store marketing boneheads read the forum message, and decided that because they *MIGHT* make more money by releasing a full Gianthold Epic update at once, rather then 1 quest at time.. No one was allowed to play this on epic, not on live anyways. Thus the quest would simply be disabled preventing access on all difficulties solving that problem.. Not really caring what ramifications this had on any players wanting to play the regular difficulties that they purchased to play.

To make a long story short:
Greed is the reason you cannot play.

Make it a Big Mac, iced tea with no ice, please

[totmacher]

nominates Shade for Conspiracy Theorist title or a tinfoil hat as a avatar

[Dark_Helmet]

Axer: I work for the company but the company isn't paying me. I have to pay them but I work for the company as I provide feedback and make threads that are gospel.


Tarrant: Okay.... Axer.
Robi3.0: Who's he?
Tarrant: Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him being a current employee here.
Tolero: So we just went a ahead and fixed the glitch.



(Hi Tarrant )

[Lerincho]

Axer: I work for the company but the company isn't paying me. I have to pay them but I work for the company as I provide feedback and make threads that are gospel.


Tarrant: Okay.... Axer.
Robi3.0: Who's he?
Tarrant: Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him being a current employee here.
Tolero: So we just went a ahead and fixed the glitch.



(Hi Tarrant )

so you're saying that Tarrant is bald. Got it.