I'd appreciate a way to combine all Daily Roll XP Gems you hoard into 1 Gem.

[Carpone]

There's already a solution: Store them in the shared bank, or on a mule.

[Amoneth]

No need to speculate, it is absolutely true that stacking XP stones would create extremely problematic behavior for the long-term health of the game. We don't have plans to change the way these stones work, but if we did, offering further opportunity to hoard them would not likely be something we would pursue.

What about an XP "Bank" that they could be deposited into then withdrawn from, as a number, much like the plat bank? I'd love for the saga rewards to go into there too because so many of those rewards are useless to me due to being capped at the time I do the sagas and also having a maxed guild, all the +3 tomes, etc. There could be separation between heroic and epic XP, so the large epic saga XP couldn't be used at heroic levels, where it wasn't intended to be used. Currently, the only way I can use epic saga XP is to ETR then level back up to 30, which I really prefer not to do as I need less Epic past lives than I do Heroic/Racial so I prefer to ETR directly followed by Heroic/Racial then do Reaper first time bonuses after each life.

[droid327]

There's already a solution: Store them in the shared bank, or on a mule.

Its easy to fill an entire mule with them if you're, e.g., ETRing for a while

[Amoneth]

How about looking at it from the long term customer relation side of things?
The xp-gems eating other xp-gems should free up more resources as less mules to keep score/track off.
Less unique items floating around and nothing stacking as, well, you know why xp-gems are not allowed to stack anymore.

Maybe offer such a cruncher to, I don't know, with a 2 year subscription plan?
Then I might be tempted to buy that one.

Heck, we could even make it a cash-xp debit system on the bank.
Feed it all the xp stones you want on your shared account and withdraw it from the bank.
Perhaps even one day we could store saga rewards directly to bank that way.

Doh, I didn't read your post before I wrote mine, you pretty much said exactly the same thing!

[droid327]

What about an XP "Bank" that they could be deposited into then withdrawn from, as a number, much like the plat bank? I'd love for the saga rewards to go into there too because so many of those rewards are useless to me due to being capped at the time I do the sagas and also having a maxed guild, all the +3 tomes, etc. There could be separation between heroic and epic XP, so the large epic saga XP couldn't be used at heroic levels, where it wasn't intended to be used. Currently, the only way I can use epic saga XP is to ETR then level back up to 30, which I really prefer not to do as I need less Epic past lives than I do Heroic/Racial so I prefer to ETR directly followed by Heroic/Racial then do Reaper first time bonuses after each life.

I think that'd be too easy to abuse by simply banking 8.3M XP and then claiming it to ETR and immediately jump back to 30

You can bank one of each saga to get like a third of the way through an Epic life, but I dont think they want to let you entirely pre-pay an ETR. Its much easier to grind sagas at 30, of course, and that defeats the whole purpose of their ED overhaul.

Also there's no way they'll ever let you earn XP on one char and then apply it to another

[ahpook]

I think that'd be too easy to abuse by simply banking 8.3M XP and then claiming it to ETR and immediately jump back to 30

You can bank one of each saga to get like a third of the way through an Epic life, but I dont think they want to let you entirely pre-pay an ETR. Its much easier to grind sagas at 30, of course, and that defeats the whole purpose of their ED overhaul.

At an average of 5K per day, it would take 4.5 years to get that kind of XP. If the feature was VIP only, then SSG should be thrilled with the outcome you describe. Even a heroic life would take well over a year. Cordovan's warning of dire repercussions should they allow people to bank/hoard XP stones is countered by the fact that millions of XP are allowed with the swipe of credit card. At the rate XP stones can be amassed I fail to see a problem that is not insignificant compared to Otto's boxes. At the rate XP stones can be amassesed I fail to see how they are even a loss in sales in ottos boxes compared to the money they would get from VIP subscribers (ie. a stacking XP stone bank tab). A VIP sub getting a free heroic life every 2 years hardly seems problematic.

Also there's no way they'll ever let you earn XP on one char and then apply it to another

XP stones from DD rolls already do give any alt XP so this "no way" statement is neither relevant nor factual.

[Dnarth]

At an average of 5K per day, it would take 4.5 years to get that kind of XP. If the feature was VIP only, then SSG should be thrilled with the outcome you describe. Even a heroic life would take well over a year. Cordovan's warning of dire repercussions should they allow people to bank/hoard XP stones is countered by the fact that millions of XP are allowed with the swipe of credit card. At the rate XP stones can be amassed I fail to see a problem that is not insignificant compared to Otto's boxes. At the rate XP stones can be amassesed I fail to see how they are even a loss in sales in ottos boxes compared to the money they would get from VIP subscribers (ie. a stacking XP stone bank tab). A VIP sub getting a free heroic life every 2 years hardly seems problematic.


XP stones from DD rolls already do give any alt XP so this "no way" statement is neither relevant nor factual.

Maths it's even hard for SSG.......


Thank you for the math reality check.

Turning a life in 7-10 days. For me anyway. I get to use them on the start of a new life. I don't particularity have a storage problem for stones. If I was going to 30 to hang out for a hot minute then I would have a storage issue. Dropping a stone everyday to eat when there is so much xp in the game to run with people. It pretty much counter intuitive to eat a stone for so little xp when one will probably cap out and not get all their xp for that last quest when they are at the end the last rank to xp. The very least would be a xp gem bag.

[Zess-wolf]

Didnt read all the thread, so unsure it has already been sugested:

Why not make within the daily dice window a panel where the xp is "stored", the panel being accessed account wide, akin to a shared bank window, but exclusive to xp stones from dice

Would be a list of the xp crystals that we have, being able to order by amount, or acquire date, etc

And we could just click "Use/Apply" and we would get the xp on the char we are logged in

Personally i wouldnt mind it being a premium/vip feature, or limited by how many spaces we have, etc

Advantages:
-No inventory taken
-We can manage xp from any character we have
-Easier to use, manage
-Faster to start on TRs (if you save them to start at 3)

No disadvantage that i can see, would be still BTA as we are

[Carpone]

Didnt read all the thread

Go read Cordo's response.

The game doesn't need piecemeal inventory engineering work for daily dice rolls. It needs a holistic approach of adding more inventory space as a whole -- something the player base has been clammering many years for. According to the producer's letter, they are updating character banks in 4Q22.

[droid327]

No need to speculate, it is absolutely true that stacking XP stones would create extremely problematic behavior for the long-term health of the game. We don't have plans to change the way these stones work, but if we did, offering further opportunity to hoard them would not likely be something we would pursue.

Counterpoint: storage is another major issue in the game, both from a player perspective and SSG's technical perspective. The system right now encourages you to hoard stones, to the extent its practical. That's not going to change, and its not really something you can expect the players not to do, because its optimal gameplay.

Ideally, you never want a system that's predicated on simply being too inconvenient to be problematic. Relying on the impracticality of hoarding and eating 3.8M worth of XP stones is not the most elegant way to prevent that behavior from happening.

What I'd suggest is perhaps allowing XP stones to stack via some method (I still like my vendor idea), but putting a cap on the largest stone you could create, and then adding an 18h timer on stone eating. Maybe like 32,000...enough to get you to L3 right after a TR (third life), but not enough to really level you quickly past that. That way, if you eat your stone every day like you're "supposed to", no change. If you hoard your stones, then you can combine them to save inventory room, but you cant use it to create a backdoor Otto's Box.

Or perhaps adding a max level to stones, or some other similar technical gating to make it impossible to use the stones in ways that are deleterious to the long-term health of the game, not just impractical by relying on something that's also deleterious to the long-term health of the game like inventory management issues

[ahpook]

Why not make within the daily dice window a panel where the xp is "stored", the panel being accessed account wide, akin to a shared bank window, but exclusive to xp stones from dice

That would be nice but a rather large change. If they could pull that off, it would be better to use that effort to solve storage in general. OTOH, getting them to stack is likely only a flag that would need to be toggled to get them to store like pots or cookies.

Unfortunately SSG seems to think that stacking them would cause severe and possibly catastrophic issues (which frankly makes little sense when XP stones that have the added benefit of being improved by XP boosts and events are sold in the store). I would be interested to know what that issue could possibly be. Frankly, I can only come up with duping issues and if that is still a risk they really should fix that problem.

[DoctorOfLiterature]

I don't think this is going to happen and it wouldn't be my biggest priority for Devs, but I could see creating XP bags, like gem or ingredient bags, but just for exp stones. Small ones could be free or bought with some other game currency and larger ones could be purchasable in the DDO store perhaps. My guess is the Devs want our backpacks full so we buy more bank storage so if there isn't some way for them to monetize this, I doubt it happens.

[Alphabox]

We can solve this problem by making 1/10exp (or 1/20) available as SentinentEXP

It doesn't hurt my conscience because I'm not throwing it away like garbage.

[RTN]

No need to speculate, it is absolutely true that stacking XP stones would create extremely problematic behavior for the long-term health of the game. We don't have plans to change the way these stones work, but if we did, offering further opportunity to hoard them would not likely be something we would pursue.

Kill two birds with one stone. Allow VIP to start at L4 on TR. People hoard to get to L4 on TR so they can spend their reaper points. VIP benefit, which you've said matters, and people will have a lot less need to hoard their XP nuggets.

[SiliconScout]

Even just making them stack would be fantastic. Only 11 slots if you discard below 500 xp, 15 otherwise.

won't happen, probably shouldn't either given that the VAST majority of Duping exploits involve items that stack, especially items that stack and can go into a bag but being bankable is just as good often enough.

Best bet would be to allow them to be combined in stone of change maybe, that would be nice. Toss in a 750xp and a 3000xp gem and get a 3750xp gem back. It's unlikely to happen though given the sheer number of items they would have to create to accommodate the values as I expect each stone is a specific amount of XP and not something that could be "set" when it's created. Meaning they make a 500xp stone not an XP stone and then assign it's value to be 500.

The most likely solution would be to allow some sort of bank like the shared plat bank where you can deposit the stones and then pull an XP stone of specific value back out.

[SiliconScout]

... Cordovan's warning of dire repercussions should they allow people to bank/hoard XP stones is countered by the fact that millions of XP are allowed with the swipe of credit card ...

I STRONGLY suspect the "dire repercussions" have nothing to do with banking or hoarding XP stones and everything to do with Duping them. Duping could produce millions of XP in just a few minutes with NO revenue generated for SSG in that process. That's a significant and dire repercussion.

[Eantarus]

No need to speculate, it is absolutely true that stacking XP stones would create extremely problematic behavior for the long-term health of the game. We don't have plans to change the way these stones work, but if we did, offering further opportunity to hoard them would not likely be something we would pursue.

So if we're not meant to horde the stones for use during TR/new character creation, what does SSG intend us to use them for? Rolling & eating immediately is a waste of time; a DD stone is a spit in the ocean. Just what does SSG want us to do with them?

[droid327]

So if we're not meant to horde the stones for use during TR/new character creation, what does SSG intend us to use them for? Rolling & eating immediately is a waste of time; a DD stone is a spit in the ocean. Just what does SSG want us to do with them?

I've often thought xp stones should give you a % of progress towards your next level instead of just a flat amount of xp. Quest xp scales roughly the same as xp-to-level, beyond the earliest levels, so a 1% or 2% or 5% bonus would work out to the same amount of time spent questing at most levels. Well, those numbers are probably too high, but each "box" on the xp bar is 1% of your next level so could be incremented by 0.5%

That'd make it pointless to hoard stones, because no matter what level you're at, they save you the same amount of time playing.

Plus, that adds value back to low level quests, since saltmarsh really over saturated L1-3 content

[Vooduspyce]

It'd be cool if we could crunch multiples at the stone of change into bigger values.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

1.) No stones....The XP on a daily dice is immediately applied to the character logged on at time of rolling regardless of whether or not they can use them.

2.) Mortal stones...They have a limited lifespan. A few weeks and they turn to dust when logging on, extracted from bank etc.

3.) Mysterious stones...Make new ones that stack, but the value isn't known till they are used, like the die rolls for healing potions, perhaps they are affected by current XP bonuses (guild buffs, VIP-PREM-FTP status, XP boost potions).

4.) Mimic stones....Turn them into XP bonus potions.

5.) Guilded stones...Allow the stones to be applied to guild renown.

6.) Limited stones....A single bag, per account where you can store 20 max. One per account per server. This bag is not a physical item, more like some part of the store, rolled at time of redemption and immediately applied to character logged on.

7.) Tradable stones...Have a vendor that exchanges them for item (buffs, potions, other consumable....useful items) based on the value of the stone. (100-999 lv 1-9, 1000-9999 lv 10-19, 10000+ lv 20+)

8.) Mutating stones...Make them tradable for a VERY small amount of AS... Just kidding.

9.) Pet stones...Have them turn into annoying pets.

10.) Surprise! stones...Have the next character that opens the bank eat all stored stones they can access against their wishes....mwah ha hah!

The proceeding post is for entertainment only, any attempt to apply, argue about, flag, troll or agree with is just silly and you should probably go have a nice nap.