So, are pally's good now?

[TallMikeM]

Been out of the game for pretty much all of this year, but since coming back this week, I'm seeing a lot more pally's around, and in groups they seem to be doing pretty well, so got me wondering if they are good now? And what sort of pally, 2HF? 2WF? SWF? Thinking mostly soloing R1 and whatever in a group.

[Soulfurnace]

2hf paladin is good, vanguard paladin with dwarvern axe (if DORF) or bastard sword (if PDK) are also good.

If not dorf/PDK, then just stick with 2hf paladin.

[palladin9479]

Great Sword THF and Long Sword SWF are good options that can be used from 1-30 without requiring any DDO store purchases.

PDK with a +1 heart lets people do some really broken things with triple stacking CHA, this update fixed one aspect with the DM bug being fixed but is's small.

While KoTC Paladin still isn't as offensively strong as Fighter or Barb, it retains a host of defensive and support options that make is good for soloing low tier reaper.

[Balordo]

I never post on forum but please, don’t give bad advice

Great Sword THF and Long Sword SWF are good options that can be used from 1-30 without requiring any DDO store purchases.

PDK with a +1 heart lets people do some really broken things with triple stacking CHA, this update fixed one aspect with the DM bug being fixed but is's small.

While KoTC Paladin still isn't as offensively strong as Fighter or Barb, it retains a host of defensive and support options that make is good for soloing low tier reaper.

Paladin is best class all around right now.
Invest in str and cha, you will be able to have awesome cc, awesome self heal untill r8, awesome defense, aoe instantkill, top tier dps. all in One class.

[SirValentine]

I never post on forum...

Funny.

[SirValentine]

So, are pally's good now?

Yes, but it's no change. Paladin has always been Good. Specifically, Lawful Good.

[TallMikeM]

Yes, but it's no change. Paladin has always been Good. Specifically, Lawful Good.

what you did there, I saw that.

They were a duality class, managing to be both lawful good and bloody awful all at the same time.

[TallMikeM]

I never post on forum but please, don’t give bad advice


Paladin is best class all around right now.
Invest in str and cha, you will be able to have awesome cc, awesome self heal untill r8, awesome defense, aoe instantkill, top tier dps. all in One class.

when you say awesome CC do you mean from vanguard?

[SocratesBastardSon]

Yes, but it's no change. Paladin has always been Good. Specifically, Lawful Good.

Alignment jokes in the morning? Before I've had my coffee? Ow. That's just not good.

[MeliCat]

when you say awesome CC do you mean from vanguard?

Tripping and charging and stunning things maybe Chalice would suit? The beauty about playing around with enhancements is that you can reset them and try something different.

I ran up a inquisitor pally (if you can believe it) cos I didn't want to do a melee, ETRed it into a tank (dwarf... max con and not much else) and then cause I still had to solo a bit threw enhancement points back into Chalice until I capped and reset it back to a tank... all quite doable.

It was so much fun and so easy I decided to try a PDK THF (ok so I have that level of fighter...) ... it is super hard to die on this thing and I'm doing ok on kills... I will be a lot less uber in Epics but seriously pallies (of builds that have been advised to you above) are very friendly for newer or more casual (or lazy = me) players. My saves are way up there and with the cha to damage on the PDK it's really nice.

Edit: there are also some top notch players running around on pallies doing uber amounts of kills/damage/surviving ... I am told that yes THF pallies are in a really good position right now.

[Balordo]

when you say awesome CC do you mean from vanguard?

I prefer Thf more than vanguard. With kotc and sacred defender You will have more dps/defense, holy retribution, 8 Hands for heal/self heal. As thf you will love trip, stunning blow and dire charge and auto-stun vs reaper.
If you want to see a complete paladin how perform, until this update, You can check some pally pov on my YouTube channel (Gordonnddo)

[TallMikeM]

Thanks guys, just did a bit of reading and there does seem to be some interesting CC options now in Chalice (possibly I should've done the reading before commenting, but hey ho etc). Pally actually looks really good right now.
Next question, I did a PDK silvanus build ages ago when they 1st came out and have some legacy mauls left over, are they still viable? Don't mind splashing out on a +1heart to go pure (erm, managed to leave my VIP active while on a break and have a ton of points now).

[Balordo]

Thanks guys, just did a bit of reading and there does seem to be some interesting CC options now in Chalice (possibly I should've done the reading before commenting, but hey ho etc). Pally actually looks really good right now.
Next question, I did a PDK silvanus build ages ago when they 1st came out and have some legacy mauls left over, are they still viable? Don't mind splashing out on a +1heart to go pure (erm, managed to leave my VIP active while on a break and have a ton of points now).

Im pdk cha based with str as second stat. I use blackrazor for quest ( you can also use eSos or constellation) and tremor for boss/raid

[palladin9479]

when you say awesome CC do you mean from vanguard?

It's the same "CC" as every other melee, Dire Charge + Trip / Stunning Blow. Normal KoTC Paladin gets the benefit of having a trance inside their DPS tree so no need to spend points in Falconry / Harper to get one.

There are some super players running PDK and triple dipping in CHA, I mentioned that above.

PDK with a +1 heart lets people do some really broken things with triple stacking CHA, this update fixed one aspect with the DM bug being fixed but is's small.

Specifically PDK has a passive that adds 1/3 of your CHA to your tactics, that along with Divine Might not (previously) applying it's bonus as Insight allowed people to stack ridiculously high tactics DCs. DM now use's Insight bonus's so that's a 8~11 DC reduction to it's max DC. Those with max reaper points, triple completionist / ect.. won't notice it because they were already well past the 135 mark but it does effect those who weren't there yet. I suspect the devs will be looking into PDK something in the next year or so.

[palladin9479]

Thanks guys, just did a bit of reading and there does seem to be some interesting CC options now in Chalice (possibly I should've done the reading before commenting, but hey ho etc). Pally actually looks really good right now.
Next question, I did a PDK silvanus build ages ago when they 1st came out and have some legacy mauls left over, are they still viable? Don't mind splashing out on a +1heart to go pure (erm, managed to leave my VIP active while on a break and have a ton of points now).

Silvanus maul builds are super strong but they don't work with CKT.

Cormyrean Knight Training: You now use Charisma or Strength, whichever is higher, for attack and damage with shortswords, longswords, bastard swords, and greatswords.
In addition, as long as your Charisma remains higher than your Strength and you are wielding one of the above weapons, you receive a bonus to the DCs of your Tactical Feats equal to 1/3 your Charisma modifier.

That is why you see so many references to THF / Bastard Sword KoTC Paladin, they are attempting to abuse PDK's CKT for triple dipping in CHA.

[TallMikeM]

Silvanus maul builds are super strong but they don't work with CKT.



That is why you see so many references to THF / Bastard Sword KoTC Paladin, they are attempting to abuse PDK's CKT for triple dipping in CHA.

aha, gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

[Coffey]

Been out of the game for pretty much all of this year, but since coming back this week, I'm seeing a lot more pally's around, and in groups they seem to be doing pretty well, so got me wondering if they are good now? And what sort of pally, 2HF? 2WF? SWF? Thinking mostly soloing R1 and whatever in a group.

Since U45 THF, Hand and a Half (Bastard Sword and Dwarven Axe), and Natural Fighting have Strikethrough now whitch replaces the broken glancing blow damage.

Its awesome now you can hit three targets and Stun, Trip three targets at a time now.

[TallMikeM]

Since U45 THF, Hand and a Half (Bastard Sword and Dwarven Axe), and Natural Fighting have Strikethrough now whitch replaces the broken glancing blow damage.

Its awesome now you can hit three targets and Stun, Trip three targets at a time now.

cool, thanks for that. With that in mind, where would you start Stats wise for a PDK using a b sword. Is STR dumped in favour of CHA?

[unbongwah]

With that in mind, where would you start Stats wise for a PDK using a b sword. Is STR dumped in favour of CHA?

Even if you go CHA-based PDK with bastard (or great) sword, you still want enough STR to take the THF feats.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...-of-Helm-(U45)

[TallMikeM]

thanks for that Un, answered my question exactly.