Let's Talk: Codex Runes

[Shadow_Jumper]

Like I said, those who have never had it/seen it in action won't get it. And that's ok.

Might as well try Leg Ice/Salt before you waste 20k runes for basically the same effect.....

As for Ender, since most mobs have over 10k hp its kinda pointless.

[karatemack]

Might as well try Leg Ice/Salt before you waste 20k runes for basically the same effect.....

As for Ender, since most mobs have over 10k hp its kinda pointless.

I use salt/vacuum. And... you're not understanding how Ender works. Which is fine.

[Shadow_Jumper]

I use salt/vacuum. And... you're not understanding how Ender works. Which is fine.

Per wiki:
Your spells and attacks have a [?%] chance to kill non-boss enemy, if they have 5,000 or fewer hitopoints.

If you mean the vulnerability....then lololololololol. a 5 pc LGS set for vulnerability?

[karatemack]

Per wiki:
Your spells and attacks have a [?%] chance to kill non-boss enemy, if they have 5,000 or fewer hitopoints.

If you mean the vulnerability....then lololololololol. a 5 pc LGS set for vulnerability?

Do they stay above 5k HP forever? What about spell crits? You know many of the % increases continue to stack... right?

[FuryFlash]

I use salt/vacuum. And... you're not understanding how Ender works. Which is fine.

Not to detract from this thread - which I view as something worth discussing - but I have to point out that the patronizing tones you are using here aren't benefiting the discussion. If you believe you know something that others don't, it would be more constructive to explain your understanding rather than belittling them. As the topic of the thread would suggest, many people don't have the number of runes needed to actually test these abilities.

[Shadow_Jumper]

Do they stay above 5k HP forever? What about spell crits? You know many of the % increases continue to stack... right?

I feel bad for you. If you think your caster needs an ender set then I truly feel sorry for you. Farm away tho.

[Shadow_Jumper]

Not to detract from this thread - which I view as something worth discussing - but I have to point out that the patronizing tones you are using here aren't benefiting the discussion. If you believe you know something that others don't, it would be more constructive to explain your understanding rather than belittling them. As the topic of the thread would suggest, many people don't have the number of runes needed to actually test these abilities.

Oh. I have enough runes to make a 5pc+ set if I wanted to. But I don't do it because its not worth it.

[Zites]

Oh. I have enough runes to make a 5pc+ set if I wanted to. But I don't do it because its not worth it.

It's too many pieces if it was 3 or maybe 4 than I would think about it I have ender and I dnt use it.

[Grace_ana]

Not to detract from this thread - which I view as something worth discussing - but I have to point out that the patronizing tones you are using here aren't benefiting the discussion. If you believe you know something that others don't, it would be more constructive to explain your understanding rather than belittling them. As the topic of the thread would suggest, many people don't have the number of runes needed to actually test these abilities.

Patronizing tones are generally met with the same. I'm truly sick and tired of the attitude towards people who play this game in a way that is not supported. Our frustrations are valid, well-documented, and widespread, and the game is losing money and players because of it.

Edit: And not for nothing, but SSG has been just as dismissive if not more, which is honestly the real problem.

[karatemack]

Not to detract from this thread - which I view as something worth discussing - but I have to point out that the patronizing tones you are using here aren't benefiting the discussion. If you believe you know something that others don't, it would be more constructive to explain your understanding rather than belittling them. As the topic of the thread would suggest, many people don't have the number of runes needed to actually test these abilities.

Not belittling... just more avoiding a discussion on if LGS is worth it or not. If Shadow is correct, and it really is worthless... then LGS is even more overpriced than I originally proposed.

[FuryFlash]

Not belittling... just more avoiding a discussion on if LGS is worth it or not. If Shadow is correct, and it really is worthless... then LGS is even more overpriced than I originally proposed.

I mean, as you say here, the actual value of the sets have some effect on the perceived appropriateness of the cost. A discussion on the value of LGS sets, especially those that require significant runes, seems to fit hand-in-hand with the current topic.

[Grace_ana]

I mean, as you say here, the actual value of the sets have some effect on the perceived appropriateness of the cost. A discussion on the value of LGS sets, especially those that require significant runes, seems to fit hand-in-hand with the current topic.

Not really. Value is measured in the desire to have something and the usefulness of the thing for a specific purpose. Value of the sets varies widely depending on what the character build is, what the player is trying to get out of it, and other factors. Anyone that answers the original OP with "well, you don't need that anyway" is most certainly being patronizing. The simple fact is that a lot of players find the sets useful and important for a variety of reason that are only important to themselves, and anyone that answers real concerns with dismissiveness shouldn't bother to take part in the conversation.

I don't need to justify my gear plans to other people.

[banjo174]

I don't need to justify my gear plans to other people.

Justifying yourself is the whole reason that the poll was created. Belittling other people just to try to attempt to justify yourself isn't a very mature way to go about things... You want other people to agree with you, so the poll is created to justify your views, and to get backers for your views. If you think that you will get backers for your views by belittling other people, then you obviously don't know how people work lol.

*Also, I like how you said, "original OP" someone doesn't know what the, "O" in "OP" stands for.

"2 wrongs dont make a right" "Do onto others as you want done onto you"

[Grace_ana]

Justifying yourself is the whole reason that the poll was created. Belittling other people just to try to attempt to justify yourself isn't a very mature way to go about things... You want other people to agree with you, so the poll is created to justify your views, and to get backers for your views. If you think that you will get backers for your views by belittling other people, then you obviously don't know how people work lol.

*Also, I like how you said, "original OP" someone doesn't know what the, "O" in "OP" stands for.

"2 wrongs dont make a right" "Do onto others as you want done onto you"

I didn't create the poll I don't care if other people agree with me. What is annoying and obnoxious is when other people decide they don't need something, so no one else can have it.

[karatemack]

I mean, as you say here, the actual value of the sets have some effect on the perceived appropriateness of the cost. A discussion on the value of LGS sets, especially those that require significant runes, seems to fit hand-in-hand with the current topic.

The "value" of any particular LGS set will vary from build to build and playstyle to playstyle. That's what getting into the weeds too deeply on that doesn't really make sense IMO. Saying, "those who don't have this won't get the value" isn't meant to belittle, but is nonetheless true. If anything, Shadow's argument makes my point in the OP more valid... not less. The less valuable LGS is, the more it makes sense to put the amount of grind necessary to acquire a full set more in alignment with other high-level gear.

[karatemack]

Justifying yourself is the whole reason that the poll was created.

Incorrect. The poll was created for the reason stated in the OP. Please continue to share your thoughts and opinions, even when they go against the OP! FWIW... the poll was started and put up with a 2 week running time to gauge how a wide variety of players felt about this issue.

Belittling other people just to try to attempt to justify yourself isn't a very mature way to go about things... You want other people to agree with you, so the poll is created to justify your views, and to get backers for your views. If you think that you will get backers for your views by belittling other people, then you obviously don't know how people work lol.

Shadow has admitted (now in multiple places) that he doesn't own a 5-piece set and has zero experience with it personally. I suspect for their given playstyle/build choices, they see very little value in the LGS sets (especially since they have stated as much). How is it unfair or unkind to say, "You won't get it, and that's ok"? Short of a demonstration to them... there is really no other way to resolve the impasse other than to agree to disagree, is there?

[banjo174]

Meh. Don't really care if they belittle me.

Its hilarious because I agree that runes are overpriced and for the most part out dated garbage piles.

Pointing that out to someone who starts a complaint thread about overpriced LGS items/sets and getting them to attack me for it is the icing on the cake.

You sir get a reputation up from me. Cmon now! Lets complain about out dated epic items. What the heck do we still need scrolls, shards, and seals? Why can't ddo gods just give us the item because we want it?

[karatemack]

You sir get a reputation up from me. Cmon now! Lets complain about out dated epic items. What the heck do we will need scrolls, shards, and seals? Why can't ddo gods just give us the item because we want it?

Would be nice if those old S/S/S systems were all converted to runes.

I think that's in the works actually...

[banjo174]

Would be nice if those old S/S/S systems were all converted to runes.

I think that's in the works actually...

Sounds like your complaints have been answered then.

Byyyyyeee Have a good time.

[karatemack]

Meh. Don't really care if they belittle me.

Sorry if you feel/felt belittled. Not the intent. You don't have a 5-piece set, so I don't expect you "get" why people would want it. Could be due to build/playstyle preferences... but it doesn't matter which is why I said "And that's ok."

Its hilarious because I agree that runes are overpriced and for the most part out dated garbage piles.

I don't think they're outdated garbage piles. But we do agree they are overpriced.

Pointing that out to someone who starts a complaint thread about overpriced LGS items/sets and getting them to attack me for it is the icing on the cake.

Not a complaint thread. No one attacked you, I said you don't see the value in the same way as me... and that appears to be true.