13/4/3 Warlock/FvS/Bard Thoughts?

[dbik]

My wife loves playing the warlock. However, even with brilliance and shining through, she still needs a more traditional heal. Normally she plays with me but I was messing around with builds today and came up with this. The build could just as easily go 14/3/3, but the extra level in FvS gives cure moderate. With Emp and Max I think that should be enough for spot heals.

I was thinking ES with TS typical build along with a few points to get swashbuckling and roughly 15 points in Avenging Angel to get all the bottom tier goodies there. CHA to DMG via Swashbuckler and DEX to Hit via weapon finesse. (or possibly select weapon choices) STR total dump stat. High CHA, CON and slightly lower DEX.

Race is immaterial as this is for heroic racial past lives only.

Has anyone run a build like this? There seems to be a lot of synergy between the three classes.


If this were an Iconic build, I can't imagine what a PDK with 3 Morninglord past lives could do with Exalted Angel ED with twists from Divine Crusader....does Empyrean Magic proc from every tick of the aura?

[ValariusK]

My wife loves playing the warlock. However, even with brilliance and shining through, she still needs a more traditional heal. Normally she plays with me but I was messing around with builds today and came up with this. The build could just as easily go 14/3/3, but the extra level in FvS gives cure moderate. With Emp and Max I think that should be enough for spot heals.

I was thinking ES with TS typical build along with a few points to get swashbuckling and roughly 15 points in Avenging Angel to get all the bottom tier goodies there.

Race is immaterial as this is for heroic racial past lives only.

Has anyone run a build like this? There seems to be a lot of synergy between the three classes.

I suggest dumping the FVS levels. You can heal just fine with wands of cure critical/heal scrolls and wand/scroll mastery.
If you're determined that you want to swashbuckle, consider 7 bard, which will give you 2 level 3 spells (one could be cure serious).

But honestly, as a pure warlock, you've got lots of temporary hp solutions available to you (on cast, charisma in HP from TS, staunch when you need it, brilliance, shining through, and more than enough UMD and wand/scroll mastery to wand whip and use scrolls. Pure warlock IMO is a lot better.

[dbik]

I suggest dumping the FVS levels. You can heal just fine with wands of cure critical/heal scrolls and wand/scroll mastery.
If you're determined that you want to swashbuckle, consider 7 bard, which will give you 2 level 3 spells (one could be cure serious).

But honestly, as a pure warlock, you've got lots of temporary hp solutions available to you (on cast, charisma in HP from TS, staunch when you need it, brilliance, shining through, and more than enough UMD and wand/scroll mastery to wand whip and use scrolls. Pure warlock IMO is a lot better.

I know, I know, everyone says that! haha. I guess I'm just trying to build a better mousetrap. Does the low hanging fruit in FvS not offer anything of value? Scourge and Shield of Condemnation seem juicy!

[ValariusK]

I know, I know, everyone says that! haha. I guess I'm just trying to build a better mousetrap. Does the low hanging fruit in FvS not offer anything of value? Scourge and Shield of Condemnation seem juicy!

The question is not whether it offers anything of value. Every class for a few levels offers something of value. The question is, is what you get worth what you give up?
In the case of a warlock, you give up quite a bit to multiclass it.

These aren't the days where most level 18 cores and capstones kinda sucked anymore.
The only splash I'd consider on a warlock right now is a 2 rogue splash, for evasion/trapping. I might also consider splashing warlock into another class primary build, although the recent heavy nerfs to ES make me less prone to do that. Frankly I'd seriously consider in your place getting mostly out of ES, and going SE/TS (cone), and using staunch, the on cast +charisma tempory HP thing, and scroll/wand mastery for healing. You don't have to get quite as intimate with cone or chain, so it should cut down on the heals required.

[Spadedragon]

You should be able to bounce between shinning and casting heal scrolls for most of your healing. Then go to to staunch when u need emergency quick healing. Putting some healing amp gear might prove to be helpful too.

[dbik]

The question is not whether it offers anything of value. Every class for a few levels offers something of value. The question is, is what you get worth what you give up?
In the case of a warlock, you give up quite a bit to multiclass it.

These aren't the days where most level 18 cores and capstones kinda sucked anymore.
The only splash I'd consider on a warlock right now is a 2 rogue splash, for evasion/trapping. I might also consider splashing warlock into another class primary build, although the recent heavy nerfs to ES make me less prone to do that. Frankly I'd seriously consider in your place getting mostly out of ES, and going SE/TS (cone), and using staunch, the on cast +charisma tempory HP thing, and scroll/wand mastery for healing. You don't have to get quite as intimate with cone or chain, so it should cut down on the heals required.

Ill have to check it out. She and I have only ever played ES. However, in my case, since these next several lives are specifically for 1-20 racial past lives, I will have to politely disagree with your assessment. If I was going to take this life to 30, the 18 or 20 capstone would hold more weight. Im trying to figure out a way to leverage the most out of the class so I can pop smoke the second I hit 20.

With that in mind, does the build get any better to your eye? In my mind the only core that really matters from
1-20 is the level 12 and below. I might be able to just do a 16/4 split with Lock/FvS?

Basically trying to figure out the easiest wat to get my wife a normal heal. She doesnt wand/scroll too well in combat and pots get expensive after awhile. Haha.

[ValariusK]

Ill have to check it out. She and I have only ever played ES. However, in my case, since these next several lives are specifically for 1-20 racial past lives, I will have to politely disagree with your assessment. If I was going to take this life to 30, the 18 or 20 capstone would hold more weight. Im trying to figure out a way to leverage the most out of the class so I can pop smoke the second I hit 20.

With that in mind, does the build get any better to your eye? In my mind the only core that really matters from
1-20 is the level 12 and below. I might be able to just do a 16/4 split with Lock/FvS?

Basically trying to figure out the easiest wat to get my wife a normal heal. She doesnt wand/scroll too well in combat and pots get expensive after awhile. Haha.

Ever consider just doing a pure bard swashy, like count of monte cristo? It can bluebar heal more or less immediately and may be closer to the play style you're looking for. I mean, wand/scroll/umd is a huge part of what makes a warlock a warlock, and you're giving up a lot of dps to splash FVS, particularly 4 levels of it.

[unbongwah]

the extra level in FvS gives cure moderate. With Emp and Max I think that should be enough for spot heals.

It is not.

[Propane]

Have you considered Halfling with Healing Dragon Marks?

[dbik]

Ever consider just doing a pure bard swashy, like count of monte cristo? It can bluebar heal more or less immediately and may be closer to the play style you're looking for. I mean, wand/scroll/umd is a huge part of what makes a warlock a warlock, and you're giving up a lot of dps to splash FVS, particularly 4 levels of it.

I am playing a bard next life most likely. This will be my third life as a bard. This is a build for my wife...who has certain...limitatiions. Lol She loves to play, and I encourage it...and she does pretty well on self healing classes. I was just trying to figure out a way to fit a heal into a lock build. (Other than scrolls, etc)

[dbik]

Have you considered Halfling with Healing Dragon Marks?

Yes of course. Problem is she loves playing her lock and Im trying to find a build that will work for her on ANY race. Ie, using no racial APs.

[Hilltrot]

I am playing a bard next life most likely. This will be my third life as a bard. This is a build for my wife...who has certain...limitatiions. Lol She loves to play, and I encourage it...and she does pretty well on self healing classes. I was just trying to figure out a way to fit a heal into a lock build. (Other than scrolls, etc)

I suggest trying "steal life force" before killing the power of the Warlock. FvS just doesn't have enough healing to justify nerfing the Warlock. And you may find the healing problem gets worse when you do.