LVL 30 feat? handwrap monk

[BigErkyKid]

I am using astral plane as DC are the core of Shintao. I don't think going full dps is the way to go if you look forward to reaper. I prefer to land my cc reliably instead of getting killed and 0 dps.

Check my post above. You can get awesome DCs and dump WIS.

[Eth]

And then I am stupid and I went full WIS. It is silly because you can reach awesome tactics and WIS score without it. For example, I could reach 64 WIS with 1 level up, and then using 6 level ups on DEX. Or you could just have a good INT swap item instead of the RNG I have with 13/6.

A 15/7 tier 2 LGS weapon is cheap to make. Preferably a quarterstaff so you can combine it with quickstrike from henshin. The cores grant quick draw for free anyway. Would need 1 more int though to get you to 54, otherwise useless.

[Vanhooger]

Check my post above. You can get awesome DCs and dump WIS.

I am curious what your DC are now. Can you please post them?

Edit: just saw you did post them.

My DC are 110-115 to 120+ depending on what I wear and buff in fire stance. Your DC are low IMHO. As well if mob have a bump in save in reaper anything less then 100 is probably going to be useless.

[Vanhooger]

A 15/7 tier 2 LGS weapon is cheap to make. Preferably a quarterstaff so you can combine it with quickstrike from henshin. The cores grant quick draw for free anyway. Would need 1 more int though to get you to 54, otherwise useless.

As you said since we got quick drow from hensin, I crafted a lgs +15+7+2 just for Kta swap.

[BigErkyKid]

I am curious what your DC are now. Can you please post them?

Edit: just saw you did post them.
My DC are 110-115 to 120+ depending on what I wear buff. Your DC are low IMHO. As well if mob have a bump in save in reaper anything less then 100 is probably going to be useless.

Right now 100 will save feats everything, that's why I targeted it in my exercise. Even mid 80s will gets mostly everything, even in LE raids. As for saves, the devs stated that right now they don't have plans to alter saves for reaper. I can't find it quickly, maybe someone with better search skills.

In any case, I am full WIS now just because. But I think it is a bad choice, both for reaper and for regular play.

Now fortitude is where the beef is. But that only matters for stunning fist. However, stunning fist is a bad ability for reaper, since anything you can get with it someone else can get via a spell or something better. Plus dire charge can be based on any stat.

So I think that targeting 100 DC WILL is perfectly safe. And frankly until we get the WIS to damage tree (a mistake if you ask me), it will be more than sufficient.

[Vanhooger]

Right now 100 will save feats everything, that's why I targeted it in my exercise. Even mid 80s will gets mostly everything, even in LE raids. As for saves, the devs stated that right now they don't have plans to alter saves for reaper. I can't find it quickly, maybe someone with better search skills.

In any case, I am full WIS now just because. But I think it is a bad choice, both for reaper and for regular play.

Now fortitude is where the beef is. But that only matters for stunning fist. However, stunning fist is a bad ability for reaper, since anything you can get with it someone else can get via a spell or something better. Plus dire charge can be based on any stat.

So I think that targeting 100 DC WILL is perfectly safe. And frankly until we get the WIS to damage tree (a mistake if you ask me), it will be more than sufficient.

As you know wisdom also add to AC , and that is really good for a high dodge build like Monk having high AC add up for more survivability.

[BigErkyKid]

As you know wisdom also add to AC , and that is really good for a high dodge build like Monk having high AC add up for more survivability.

So does DEX. And AFAIK robes are not capped in DEX to AC, so you lose absolutely nothing trading points from DEX to WIS. So really, sadly at this point there is no reason for going WIS based UNLESS you plan on using quivering palm. But we all know that QP is a complete pain in the arse, so frankly I don't see a reason to go WIS at all.

Maybe one could do a ninja spy with CKT and some cha item to boost tactics to be able to have a good QP.

[Vanhooger]

So does DEX. And AFAIK robes are not capped in DEX to AC, so you lose absolutely nothing trading points from DEX to WIS. So really, sadly at this point there is no reason for going WIS based UNLESS you plan on using quivering palm. But we all know that QP is a complete pain in the arse, so frankly I don't see a reason to go WIS at all.

Maybe one could do a ninja spy with CKT and some cha item to boost tactics to be able to have a good QP.

you can still get around 90dc on quivering palm that gets most mob with low fort and you can't land stunning first, but if you don't use them well you probsbly better off dex.

[BigErkyKid]

you can still get around 90dc on quivering palm that gets most mob with low fort and you can't land stunning first, but if you don't use them well you probsbly better off dex.

That's what I mean. QP is a cool trick but honestly dire charge and WW kills most things that would be affected by QP anyway. Then in truly challenging content the DC is enough to get regular mobs without charging it. So I think going WIS just for QP is a mistake overall.

That said, I love playing my monk, WAAAAAAy better than playing a ranger. I like jumping in and out with abundant and stunning and WWing and then dancing orange named mobs. With around 220 AC in blitz (plus the other defenses) and between 1400-1500 HP (with no LGS) I feel sturdy. And monk is flavor anyway.

But that said, I draw the line at using ethereal vs astral. Ethereal is way better, there is no discussion.

[LavidDynch]

I am using astral plane as DC are the core of Shintao. I don't think going full dps is the way to go if you look forward to reaper. I prefer to land my cc reliably instead of getting killed and 0 dps.

On my triple heroic and epic completionist (a referal to your sig) I have no issues hitting the DC's despite having Wis as a dump stat and no insightfull stun item.

I doubt +4 tactical would make any difference in Reaper, and if it did - I wouldn't start with chewing off my legs.

edit. in all videos of reaper you can see trash getting CC'd by casters, a monk can reach higher DC's "without really trying". Building for overkill DC is pointless.

[Vanhooger]

On my triple heroic and epic completionist (a referal to your sig) I have no issues hitting the DC's despite having Wis as a dump stat and no insightfull stun item.

I doubt +4 tactical would make any difference in Reaper, and if it did - I wouldn't start with chewing off my legs.

edit. in all videos of reaper you can see trash getting CC'd by casters, a monk can reach higher DC's "without really trying". Building for overkill DC is pointless.

I do use a lot stunning fist, and can stun anything in the game, couldn't do that if I dump wis.

Yes those video show trash getting CC'd by casters but in a real world you rarely get a perfect party every time you want to do a quest. Sometimes you do but the population of ddo doesn't really allow that and if they don't adjust save for reaper as someone said, well QP in high 80 would kill most mob in 90% of quest. So worth to consider.
Also would like to see a reaper quest where most mob are undead, so most cc doesn't work, like Deathwyrm.

[Kebtid]

On my triple heroic and epic completionist (a referal to your sig) I have no issues hitting the DC's despite having Wis as a dump stat and no insightfull stun item.

I doubt +4 tactical would make any difference in Reaper, and if it did - I wouldn't start with chewing off my legs.

edit. in all videos of reaper you can see trash getting CC'd by casters, a monk can reach higher DC's "without really trying". Building for overkill DC is pointless.

We dont know how reaper will turn out in the end.
Being prepared is never a bad idea /and if they add that new tree with wisdom to damage/hit then vahnhos build will be extremely good.
He did good in a le shroud, his tacticals landed quite offten and i saw him qpalm some mobs on a really constant basis.
( i was busy autoatacking portals so saw him jump around from mob to mob xD)

Also i was testing jade strike as its the core of my build /vahnho saw it (its over btw as my macc got banned on forums), and as it is will save i seem to notice sucess with it in le shroud/spine and all bosses in slavers with a dc around 75, i have pushed it above 85 and lowerd it under 65 to see differences and i can say that sweet spot is 75 to get most enemies /orc shaman rare in slavers 2 tho requires bit more dedication /around 82-84ish.
Shroud portals (works always it seems) and harry /book and rest and reaver also works almost always (i expected reaver to have more will save but guess i was wrong), also keep in mind guys that we can use vision of precision that directly buffs our will saved stuff by 5 dc.

I run tests quite often in current content but im aware that my current dcs wont be enough for reaper in case they tweak numbers properly.
I don't want to run a multitask capable build, i want specializations back

Also erry, your dire charge is mostly lh capable, in le it wont be enough, your unballancing also might close to never land on le mobs, your kukan and other will based will land (but you need to push numbers higher if your builds focus is tacticals and sneak damage, as a sneak based monk with non-no fail unballanced isnt that good).

Cheers guys and hnew year etc etc

[BigErkyKid]

I do use a lot stunning fist, and can stun anything in the game, couldn't do that if I dump wis.

Yes those video show trash getting CC'd by casters but in a real world you rarely get a perfect party every time you want to do a quest. Sometimes you do but the population of ddo doesn't really allow that and if they don't adjust save for reaper as someone said, well QP in high 80 would kill most mob in 90% of quest. So worth to consider.

If you don t have the perfect party forget about reaper. Unless you want to play baby reaper, of course.
And having stunning fist would not save you at all. Listen I also think it is dumb that wis can now be a dump stat for monks. But it is the reality until we get the new wis to damage tree. And so instead of fighting it I say let's embrace dex to damage and then we can etr or lr when the new tree comes. Or if in reaper truly we must max dcs, although again devs said they wouldn't change saves so that won't happen likely.

Right now dex unarmed monk dominates wis based hands down. Sad but true.

[BigErkyKid]

We dont know how reaper will turn out in the end.
Being prepared is never a bad idea /and if they add that new tree with wisdom to damage/hit then vahnhos build will be extremely good.
He did good in a le shroud, his tacticals landed quite offten and i saw him qpalm some mobs on a really constant basis.
( i was busy autoatacking portals so saw him jump around from mob to mob xD)

Also i was testing jade strike as its the core of my build /vahnho saw it (its over btw as my macc got banned on forums), and as it is will save i seem to notice sucess with it in le shroud/spine and all bosses in slavers with a dc around 75, i have pushed it above 85 and lowerd it under 65 to see differences and i can say that sweet spot is 75 to get most enemies /orc shaman rare in slavers 2 tho requires bit more dedication /around 82-84ish.
Shroud portals (works always it seems) and harry /book and rest and reaver also works almost always (i expected reaver to have more will save but guess i was wrong), also keep in mind guys that we can use vision of precision that directly buffs our will saved stuff by 5 dc.

I run tests quite often in current content but im aware that my current dcs wont be enough for reaper in case they tweak numbers properly.
I don't want to run a multitask capable build, i want specializations back

Also erry, your dire charge is mostly lh capable, in le it wont be enough, your unballancing also might close to never land on le mobs, your kukan and other will based will land (but you need to push numbers higher if your builds focus is tacticals and sneak damage, as a sneak based monk with non-no fail unballanced isnt that good).

Cheers guys and hnew year etc etc

You don't lose much on dire charge since it is based on any stay and you can push dex to close to 70 without store pots. So yeah le capable.

And you can get unbalancing no fail also, check the numbers I provided in my other post.

Listen guys I play wis toon too but gotta admit dex is currently just better.

[Eth]

IIRC the plan for reaper mobs was to add +1 to saves per skull.

[Phil7]

Item sneak damage: 22 + 11
Etheral Plane: Hide score/2, so 60ish

Pure Monk sneak attack damage: (3 x 3.5 + 22 + 11 + 60) x (3.03 x 1.5) = 470.4075
Pure Rogue sneak attack damage: (22 x 3.5 + 22 + 11 + 60) x (2.43 x 1.5) = 619.65

Pure Monk sneak attack damage with Arborea instead of etheral: (3 x 3.5 + 22 + 11) x (3.23 x 1.5) = 210.7575

I am doing 180-200 damage with a hide skill of 67.5 (no item on), a deception item and insightful deception. No blitz. Melee power is 123 and I took 1 sneak attack dice from ninja. 2 rogue PL.

This +22 and +11 damage that you add is (according to descriptions) a normal flat bonus to damage (just like Deadly).
It has nothing to do with your sneak attack dice.
It is, on your screen, the first (left) number that appears when you hit a mob.

The same goes for Rogue PL passive

The things that affect your sneak attack dice/damage are MP/RP, rogue PL active, ninja spy/dws/assassin enhancements and rogue feats.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legenda...ner's_Helm
It clearly states: "+11 Insight bonus to damage for any attack that would qualify as a Sneak Attack"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Deception
"On sneak attack: +X to attack rolls, +2X to damage"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life:_Rogue
"+1 damage when sneak attacking"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Backstabbing
"Effect: Provides a bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls for any attack that would qualify as a Sneak Attack, even if the wielder is not a Rogue."

Unless all of the above are bugged/misstyped and actually do give sneak attack dice/damage instead of flat damage. In that case please do prove me wrong so we can all be happy.

Oh and by the way, when comparing Arborea, dont forget that the +20MP -> extra damage can be multiplied from vulnerability, helpless, critical, Sacred Ground etc.

Sneak attack dice/damage tho... only from MP/RP

[BigErkyKid]

IIRC the plan for reaper mobs was to add +1 to saves per skull.

Thanks for the update. So my point is made. 100 will save will get anything in reaper, likely over 110 dire charge too, and reflex around 100 is probably good for most as well. Or what target D.C. Do you guys have in mind? I'm sure I can show that it can be made on a dex toon.

[Vanhooger]

If you don t have the perfect party forget about reaper. Unless you want to play baby reaper, of course.
And having stunning fist would not save you at all. Listen I also think it is dumb that wis can now be a dump stat for monks. But it is the reality until we get the new wis to damage tree. And so instead of fighting it I say let's embrace dex to damage and then we can etr or lr when the new tree comes. Or if in reaper truly we must max dcs, although again devs said they wouldn't change saves so that won't happen likely.

Right now dex unarmed monk dominates wis based hands down. Sad but true.

We see things in a different way.

I am doing the opposite of 90% of player base.

I don't like max dps char, even if it work well in DDO, and I am dex based for hit/damage, but got higher wis.

Stunning fist can save you a lot of time if you cycle trough your cc options well, like I did last night in some LE raid.

I think you can run reaper even without a perfect party, if you building your toon for it and not just dps.

[BigErkyKid]

This +22 and +11 damage that you add is (according to descriptions) a normal flat bonus to damage (just like Deadly).
It has nothing to do with your sneak attack dice.
It is, on your screen, the first (left) number that appears when you hit a mob.

The same goes for Rogue PL passive

The things that affect your sneak attack dice/damage are MP/RP, rogue PL active, ninja spy/dws/assassin enhancements and rogue feats.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legenda...ner's_Helm
It clearly states: "+11 Insight bonus to damage for any attack that would qualify as a Sneak Attack"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Deception
"On sneak attack: +X to attack rolls, +2X to damage"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life:_Rogue
"+1 damage when sneak attacking"

http://ddowiki.com/page/Backstabbing
"Effect: Provides a bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls for any attack that would qualify as a Sneak Attack, even if the wielder is not a Rogue."

Unless all of the above are bugged/misstyped and actually do give sneak attack dice/damage instead of flat damage. In that case please do prove me wrong so we can all be happy.

Oh and by the way, when comparing Arborea, dont forget that the +20MP -> extra damage can be multiplied from vulnerability, helpless, critical, Sacred Ground etc.

Sneak attack dice/damage tho... only from MP/RP

I thought the same but you are wrong. Read my playtested report. Eth was right except for hide/2 which is hide/3.

[Kebtid]

You don't lose much on dire charge since it is based on any stay and you can push dex to close to 70 without store pots. So yeah le capable.

And you can get unbalancing no fail also, check the numbers I provided in my other post.

Listen guys I play wis toon too but gotta admit dex is currently just better.

I have seen the 72 dc post, and that is not enough, you need around 92ish dc to land on everything in slavers (that is around minimum if you want close to no fail) /i really play around with gear swaps as i do a jade strike slavers bracers hotswap, if you say your dex is close to 70ish it will be enough of course.
But pls update that post at the start