Repair spellpower enhancements are unaccounted for

[Carpone]

Artificers are getting a large Repair spell power nerf. As a 16 Artificer/2 Monk/2 Ranger I'm going from 100 Repair spell power on live from enhancements to:

23 Heroic Repair ranks
05 Epic Repair ranks
04 Greater Heroism
02 Good Luck
03 INT 16 bonus
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37
15 (future Repair augment)
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52

You have to be an INT-based level 18 Artificer, spend 30 points in Battle Engineer and are forced to use a Runearm just to maintain the same Repair spellpower. That does not promote character customization.

Repair spellpower needs to be added back into each Artificer tree as a core ability. Something like 1 Repair/Rust spell power for each point spent in the tree.

[RavenStormclaw]

Artificers are getting a large Repair spell power nerf. As a 16 Artificer/2 Monk/2 Ranger I'm going from 100 Repair spell power on live from enhancements to:

23 Heroic Repair ranks
05 Epic Repair ranks
04 Greater Heroism
02 Good Luck
03 INT 16 bonus
---
37
15 (future Repair augment)
---
52

You have to be an INT-based level 18 Artificer, spend 30 points in Battle Engineer and are forced to use a Runearm just to maintain the same Repair spellpower. That does not promote character customization.

Repair spellpower needs to be added back into each Artificer tree as a core ability. Something like 1 Repair/Rust spell power for each point spent in the tree.

Or if you want Arcano technician full line you woud get:

52 from your post above
40 USP from 40 AP in the line
10 USP from the iron defender enhancement within arcanotechnician
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102 repair spell power

Just saying.

Now this is a bit of an investment and steep in my opinion and should be changed. However, you can get back to 100 repair spell power so its technically not a nerf. It's a terrible rearrangement.

[Carpone]

Arcanotech prestige is terrible. DO NOT WANT.

[Forzah]

Isn't there repair amp too now? That well makes up for the loss. According to my guildy calculations he's able to reconstruct for up to 800 HP now... that's a lot more than the current 560.

[shadereaper33]

I'm curious as to why you only have a 16 int on your artificer. Also, don't forget that the battle engineer capstone gives your weapon +3 enhancement bonus AND spellcasting implement. So, assuming a minimum +5 base weapon, the capstone would bump it to +8, for 24 more universal spell power. In all honesty, you can still get a very good amount of repair spell power on a battle engineer artificer without having rely on the charged rune arm spell power. Though, as to why you are going for the battle engineer tree and not wanting to use the rune arm stuff, which is fully half the tree, is baffling.

Edit: logged onto lammania to play around with my warforged arty a bit, see what I could get. At level 25, with full destinies unlocked, I have 96 repair spell power completely naked. Add in on top of that 24 spell power from my weapon and 80 spell power from the potency on the blue dragon armor, and that is 200 repair spell power right there. Maybe it's just me, but for an arty that isn't focused on spell casting, 200 spell power seems pretty good.

[chanw4]

I'm curious as to why you only have a 16 int on your artificer. Also, don't forget that the battle engineer capstone gives your weapon +3 enhancement bonus AND spellcasting implement. So, assuming a minimum +5 base weapon, the capstone would bump it to +8, for 24 more universal spell power.

he is using the juggernaut build which put points into Strength instead of Int and use 2 handers instead of 1 and half hander aka Bastard Sword and Dwarven Waraxe.

The 16 is prolly the requirement to cast lv 6 spell (do they have spell casting requirement in ddo??) and the skill point for trapping skill.

With the + damage on Bastard sword and runearms (remove movement speed penalty and spell power) buff. I think a Bastard Sword Juggernaut variant is possible, even without the last capstone. A tier 3 charged runearms still gives a lot of spell power.

[Antiguo]

Arcanotech prestige is terrible. DO NOT WANT.

So the self healing of your juggernaut is nerfed? and thats bad... why?


Put points in repair skill and wear a repair +15 item.

[Drona]

Isn't there repair amp too now? That well makes up for the loss. According to my guildy calculations he's able to reconstruct for up to 800 HP now... that's a lot more than the current 560.

That requires investment in skill and gear, which may take the other slot for the Juggernaut build. It takes away the "easy" button.

[Carpone]

I'm curious as to why you only have a 16 int on your artificer. Also, don't forget that the battle engineer capstone gives your weapon +3 enhancement bonus AND spellcasting implement.

Even if I had a 46 INT, the +15 Repair/Rust from it is still a far cry from what's available on live. The capstone isn't included in the calculations because that forces 20 Artificer. That's a drawback not a feature.

Put points in repair skill and wear a repair +15 item.

The calculations already include both of those. You'll need to find another way to antagonize players of Juggernaut builds.

[Antiguo]

The calculations already include both of those. You'll need to find another way to antagonize players of Juggernaut builds.

Dont have 16 int, use a runearm, get the implement bonus on your weapon.

Be an artificier, not a barbarian who changes rage whit Tenser and can cast Deadly weapons and Reconstruct.

[Viisari]

Dont have 16 int, use a runearm, get the implement bonus on your weapon.

Be an artificier, not a barbarian who changes rage whit Tenser and can cast Deadly weapons and Reconstruct.

TIL there's only one way to play each class and any other way is doing it wrong.

[Antiguo]

TIL there's only one way to play each class and any other way is doing it wrong.

Soooooo, the template whitout the same self healing is bad and you wont play it?

Toon of all trades master of none, sounds fair to me.

[Viisari]

Soooooo, the template whitout the same self healing is bad and you wont play it?

Where did I say that?

Toon of all trades master of none, sounds fair to me.

If it goes through like this it's a nerf in spell power. I don't like nerfs not matter which of my characters is affected.

[Antiguo]

If it goes through like this it's a nerf in spell power. I don't like nerfs not matter which of my characters is affected.

Either nerf or power creep, developers seems to have chosen a tiny nerf in this case. You can go deeper in artificier to get back that repair/rust spellpower or you can accept this nerf and keep the evasion, extra feats and weapon proficiencies, tradeoffs and all that stuff...

And the nerf is indeed tiny, crying over it is.... well, i have no words.

[Viisari]

Either nerf or power creep, developers seems to have chosen a tiny nerf in this case. You can go deeper in artificier to get back that repair/rust spellpower or you can accept this nerf and keep the evasion, extra feats and weapon proficiencies, tradeoffs and all that stuff...

And the nerf is indeed tiny, crying over it is.... well, i have no words.

So being able to get the same amount of spell power with the same investment as before is now considered powercreep?

We're done talking here.

[Antiguo]

So being able to get the same amount of spell power with the same investment as before is now considered powercreep?

We're done talking here.

Not getting nerfed if your build is overpowered leads to imbalance (you dont change anything) OR power creep (you make every build overpowered).

To be honest i expected more nerfs to juggernauts, i'm kinda dissapointed, oh well, even little details like a tiny nerf to self healing helps.

[blerkington]

Hi,

Antiguo, I think it's a little mean-spirited asking for other people's builds to be nerfed.

The juggernaut is a good build, but it requires a lot of gear, work on EDs and skill to do the things you see the top end players posting about. It's not a matter of simply rolling one up and then automatically being able to face-roll EE quests solo.

At this point, the enhancement pass appears to be much more restrictive for certain build types. I think the best outcome would be to get to a point where people can reconstruct the builds they have, while also offering new abilities and options as well.

Thanks.

[Ape_Man]

. . . it's a little mean-spirited asking for other people's builds to be nerfed.
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And notice it's only the petty people who can't build good toons who are happy with all these changes?

[chanw4]

Hi,

Antiguo, I think it's a little mean-spirited asking for other people's builds to be nerfed.

The juggernaut is a good build, but it requires a lot of gear, work on EDs and skill to do the things you see the top end players posting about. It's not a matter of simply rolling one up and then automatically being able to face-roll EE quests solo.

At this point, the enhancement pass appears to be much more restrictive for certain build types. I think the best outcome would be to get to a point where people can reconstruct the builds they have, while also offering new abilities and options as well.

Thanks.

Itemization of the juggernaut will need to be change to adapt the change, the general idea of a self healing, trapping generalist is not gone.

If you don't spend anything in the spellpower tree, repair skill and not using runearms, you are only 100 SP short from the old build, which is 150 base heal less than before. It means you have to heal more often.

If you at least equip a rune arms and charge it to tier 3 and 4, you get 24 and 32 Spell power depends if you are moving or not. Then you have warforged heal amp enhancement too to lessen the gap. Then you can add another 23 SP from repair skill. You can then spend your left over SP on the spell casting tree to at least get the spell points upgrade as well as few SP upgrade.

you are then only around 50 SP off which is 75HP less.


However, having said that, i would hope they consider adding SP per point spent for the Battle engineer line.

[SealedInSong]

Either nerf or power creep, developers seems to have chosen a tiny nerf in this case. You can go deeper in artificier to get back that repair/rust spellpower or you can accept this nerf and keep the evasion, extra feats and weapon proficiencies, tradeoffs and all that stuff...

And the nerf is indeed tiny, crying over it is.... well, i have no words.

Epic destinies = power explosion.

Anyone that's played current endgame for more than an hour knows that the devs do what they do because of their whims, not out of any aim to keep the game "balanced," whatever that means.

Edit: also...false dichotomy. I think we are all hoping for a third option called progress, not "Nerf | Creep"