Zerging

[mr.stone]

Seems to me everybody here is trying to justify zerging.You want to zerg,fine,stick to playing with other zergers or soloing since that is what your really about(your own selfish interests).The thing that really ****es me off is when the LFM says no zergers then one joins and screws everybody else.You want to zerg go zerg yourself.

[WruntJunior]

Seems to me everybody here is trying to justify zerging.You want to zerg,fine,stick to playing with other zergers or soloing since that is what your really about(your own selfish interests).The thing that really ****es me off is when the LFM says no zergers then one joins and screws everybody else.You want to zerg go zerg yourself.

That's just people being stupid to join a no zerging LFM and zerg; however, people do have to fight down the negative connotation many people have with zerging in this game by explaining to them what it really means, especially after people associate "zerging" with "running off, getting red alert, and dying."

[Qhualor]

Zerging is a way to complete a quest fast to complete your objective. Some do it to farm for loot. They dont care about the xp, but they care about the pie in the end chest, 3 quest chain completions for an ioun stone or a named item in a chest. Mostly, though, its associated with completeing a quest for xp thats worth it by the minute. Some people put a value to their time per minute and want it to be worth it to them by running fast and completing quests fast to gain levels fast. In my experiences, i see less care for tactics and group effort. Surviving DA, self sufficiency and powering your way through quests is what is required as i see this in most zerg groups.

Im against it because its the only time where hp actually matters so to survive massive round up mobs as its seen to be the most efficient way to quickly get through a quest. Fast button mashing somehow means you are a capable player. Zerging, or xp/min, has been what is used in debates on low xp quests, even though the quest still gives good xp if people were willing to run a quest for an average of 1/2 hour. Time is an issue for zergers in a never ending game, but yet, somehow, some find an end and get bored than complain. Time is an issue also because some might only have an hour to play and they must get xp fast and as much as possible or something bad happens. I dont know what, but it must be pretty bad because they couldnt level in the time that they played. My biggest problem with zerging is that tactics are so underused in DDO. Theres no tactic with button mashing and running fast. Its just sloppy play to me, taking unnecessary damage just to save a small amount of time

[gradeyshane]

Seems to me everybody here is trying to justify zerging.You want to zerg,fine,stick to playing with other zergers or soloing since that is what your really about(your own selfish interests).The thing that really ****es me off is when the LFM says no zergers then one joins and screws everybody else.You want to zerg go zerg yourself.

Ok you seem to have a very strong opinion here so I'll ask (and dont take offense Im really asking because Im curious)...what do you consider zerging..specifics please?

[gradeyshane]

Zerging is a way to complete a quest fast to complete your objective. Some do it to farm for loot. They dont care about the xp, but they care about the pie in the end chest, 3 quest chain completions for an ioun stone or a named item in a chest. Mostly, though, its associated with completeing a quest for xp thats worth it by the minute. Some people put a value to their time per minute and want it to be worth it to them by running fast and completing quests fast to gain levels fast. In my experiences, i see less care for tactics and group effort. Surviving DA, self sufficiency and powering your way through quests is what is required as i see this in most zerg groups.

Im against it because its the only time where hp actually matters so to survive massive round up mobs as its seen to be the most efficient way to quickly get through a quest. Fast button mashing somehow means you are a capable player. Zerging, or xp/min, has been what is used in debates on low xp quests, even though the quest still gives good xp if people were willing to run a quest for an average of 1/2 hour. Time is an issue for zergers in a never ending game, but yet, somehow, some find an end and get bored than complain. Time is an issue also because some might only have an hour to play and they must get xp fast and as much as possible or something bad happens. I dont know what, but it must be pretty bad because they couldnt level in the time that they played. My biggest problem with zerging is that tactics are so underused in DDO. Theres no tactic with button mashing and running fast. Its just sloppy play to me, taking unnecessary damage just to save a small amount of time

A lot of builds are far more effective fighting massed mobs instead of singles. You are saying you dont give a turd about those builds but only want someone to dungeon creep with you. That is pretty narrow idea of what DDO is about IMO.

[MaximusParthas]

it's a two sided coin. on one side the pro zergers think this
-"Zerging is simply Getting Stuff Done as quickly and efficiently as possible"
when in reality they mean this
-"I want as much xp/loot as I can get as quick as I can get it"
The reasoning is always "Once you've done a quest a thousand times you just want it to be over with asap"

On the other side of the coin the non zergers see it this way
- This guy just came in, started the quest without us, didn't do any optional, didn't do any breakables, skipped most of the storyline and finished the quest before our late entry penalties wore off. And not once did he/she ask if we wanted to do any of that.

If your the leader maybe you can get away with it. But for someone just joining a party that's rude beyond reasoning.

[arkonas]

Seems to me everybody here is trying to justify zerging.You want to zerg,fine,stick to playing with other zergers or soloing since that is what your really about(your own selfish interests).The thing that really ****es me off is when the LFM says no zergers then one joins and screws everybody else.You want to zerg go zerg yourself.

zerging isnt as bad as you think it is. now if someone does join a lfm with no zerging in it then yes they are griefing others by ruining their experience. I think the worst zerging is when people get red alerts and dont kill everything.

i'm a zerger at heart but im also a teamplayer. So while i might be zerging i also don't want my teammates dying to alerts because of something i did. So i tend not to let it get passed yellow before i turn around and start killing/controlling them.

now quests like temple of vol its hard not to see red alerts come up. my only suggestion to quests like this if its too much for you to handle stay near the honor guard or at least go with one other person so you can watch each others back.

[Qhualor]

A lot of builds are far more effective fighting massed mobs instead of singles. You are saying you dont give a turd about those builds but only want someone to dungeon creep with you. That is pretty narrow idea of what DDO is about IMO.

Caster types are far more effective at it than other classes. Thats why you see them more than other classes in zerg groups. They can be self sufficient and CC/BB groups of mobs easier than others can.

I can complete a quest with max xp in the same amount of time as regular groups using simple tactics. After awhile, you learn to run quests efficiently and safely with some speed. I dont dungeon crawl.