Starter Cleric for the new guy-

[Xynot2]

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(change heal skill for balance)
(20 Cleric)
Hit Points: 312
Spell Points: 1786
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 17 (tr version 15 18)
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 18 28
Charisma 14 16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance -1 6
Bluff -1 0
Concentration 7 27
Diplomacy -1 0
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 0
Heal 6 33
Hide -1 0
Intimidate -1 0
Jump 2 3
Listen 4 9
Move Silently -1 0
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 0
Spot 4 9
Swim 2 3
Tumble 0 1
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness

Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention

Edit: 28pt stats were excluded. Should have been 10, 8, 14, 10, 17, 13 add 1 stat to cha and the rest to wis for levels.

[axel15810]

Unless you're dead set on a healing only build (not necessary as you can build for offensive casting and not hurt your healing much at all) Drop mental tough/ improved mental tough. They aren't worth it. Pick up some spell pen or evocation feats to improve your offensive spell casting. Extend is fine for early levels but is not useful later on, I'd swap it out for something better around level 10 or so.

concentration and balance (can't heal on your back) are probably the best way to go as far as skills.

If your going for a caster type you should consider splashing monk for evasion and better wisdom. Honestly, the capstone stinks so a pure cleric really isn't optimal for a divine caster.

take the human heal amp enhancements for sure. drop zealot line, improved empower healing line and prayer/incredible pray of llife (only take what you need for radiant servant 2) they aren't worth it. Take the smiting lines, they boost your only DoT spell, divine punishment which is your boss weapon.

[Charononus]

Unless you splash monk I'd change lg to true neutral, if a monk splash go lawful neutral, you'll avoid a bunch of damage that way.

I'd also say to drop the mental toughness line and pick up heighten, and evocation focus, honestly with the spwr changes I'd drop empower and pick up greater evo focus.

The evo will help your blade barrier, implosion, soundburst dc's

Heighten is all about dc's and will help greatly with instant kills and cc at higher level.

edit*
I'd also go and rework the skills for umd, fireshield scrolls are a big help in survival.

[azrael4h]

New guy?

Most truly new players do not have 32 point builds, and they may not be willing to drop cash on +2 supremes in the DDO Store. They certainly won't have the plat to buy +1's of every relevant stat, much less +2's.

I would much prefer builds meant for new players be designed like it's a NEW PLAYER, not a vet whose got TP/platto burn. Meaning no tomes and 28 point builds.

1 - As a Human, you get 1 extra skill point. With 10 INT, you should have 3/level. I only see investment in two skills.

2 - By 7, assuming a Tome, you'd add a 4th skill point.

3 - Heal, as it stands, is useless. I know you made a small note, but just change it in the planner. It's easy to miss that note. Heck, I did initially.

1-3a - I would max UMD, Balance, and Concentration with this build. Add in Jump with the extra skill points from the Tome, because White Clerics Can't Jump. Or you could put it in Spot, though with a highish WIS you should do fine there without much investment. Not like this is a trapper.

4 - MT/IMT are... less than thrilling returns on investment. Hitting those slots with Evo/G Evo focuses would be better, moving the metamagics up since you'll want them mostly for later spells anyway. Shield Mastery/I Shield Mastery may make you a bit more survivable, though at a high cost again. I'm not sure I'd take those on a full Cleric build, Heal bot maybe.

5 - Prayer of Life/Incredible Life and Energy of the Zealot lines aren't worth the heavy AP investment past whats needed for RS. I'd invest in Spell Penetration.

6 - Extend isn't all that great past 15 or so. Slipping in Heighten will work wonders for offensive casting.

7 - You're ending on an odd CON. Not as important since there's 5 levels to go, but I'd end it on an even number if possible. As it stands, you're paying 7ap for 10hp (4ap for G Adaptability, 3 for Racial Toughness III). Very poor return on investment. Healing Amp line is much better for personal survivability. Believe me, I make considerable use of it on all my characters save three elves.

[Musouka]

New guy?

Most truly new players do not have 32 point builds, and they may not be willing to drop cash on +2 supremes in the DDO Store. They certainly won't have the plat to buy +1's of every relevant stat, much less +2's.

I would much prefer builds meant for new players be designed like it's a NEW PLAYER, not a vet whose got TP/platto burn. Meaning no tomes and 28 point builds.

My thoughts exactly. This is not a new player friendly build, and is too focused on just being a healbot. Terrible choice in a title, as not everyone wants to make clerics just to be healbots.

[Jingwei]

The all heal bot all the time cleric is about the most unfun thing available. You might as well have a hireling instead.

The classic casting cleric looks something like:

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1437 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               18                    27
Charisma             14                    14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                    10
Bluff                 2                     2
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             4                    24
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     2
Heal                  4                    10
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            2                     2
Jump                  0                     0
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

With epic feats being epic spell penetration and greater spell focus: evocation being the epic feats.

This gets:
Spell penetration:
25 Caster level
8 Feats
2 enhancements
2 item
=
37 which is enough for epic hard

Wisdom:
18 Base
6 level ups
1 human
6 destiny
7 Commendation item
2 Commendation item
=
40 +

And implosion DC:
19 base
15 wisdom
2 focus feats
2 focus item
=
38, still pretty anemic, around a 60%? hit rate on epic hard. But a +2 tome and ship buff are easy to get.

The crit chance and crit multiple increasing enhancements are not worth it. Scroll mastery is needed for to soup up frequent use of heal scrolls.

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If making a cleric that doesn't care about offensive spellcasting, take a level of fighter for the weapon proficiencies and dump wisdom. It's not going to help your healing spells.

[edit[
28 point version goes to int 8, cha 12. Takes Concentration and balance as skills, instead of the 32 point versions concentration, balance, diplomacy

[DarkForte]

Yay, healbot build that will bore the 'new guy' (that somehow has 32pt builds) out of his skull. This build has the worst possible alignment, no heighten, no spell foci at all, no umd, no melee, no scroll-healing enhancements, no spell penetration and no smiting. Even if your only intent is healing, you'd be better served by taking 2 shield masteries. This build has literally nothing going for it besides doing something that even a cleric splash can do.

Also... healing crits? Seriously?

-1 if I could. Recommending that anyone, especially new players, play this is a disservice to the community and only helps stigmatize divines as 'just healers' to newer players who haven't got the hang of the game yet.

[EllisDee37]

Here's my new player cleric build. (From here.) I haven't posted it to the builds section yet because I haven't played it yet. That's also why it isn't formatted with the character planner.

Stats
......28pt..32pt..34pt..36pt
Str....14....14....14....14
Dex.....8.....8.....8.....8
Con....14....14....14....14
Int.....8.....8.....8....10
Wis....16....18....18....18
Cha....14....12....14....14

Skills
23 Concentration
11 Jump
??? Balance (extra from having +2 int tome kick in at 7 or the extra skills from 36pt build)
(If have both +2 tome and 36pt build, now we can max UMD since probably have the gear to back it up)

Levels
1 Cleric, 2 Wizard, 3-20 Cleric

Feats
1: Toughness
1H: Power Attack, pay to swap this out at 12 making it Spell Pen
2W: Maximize
3: Necro Focus (or Past Life: Wizard)
6: Empower Heal
9: Heighten
12: Evocation Focus (Due to wizard splash we don't get BB until 12)
15: Greater Spell Pen
18: Quicken
21: Epic Spell Pen
24: Great Ability: Wisdom

Enhancements
12 Radiant Servant (includes prereqs prayer 1, inc prayer 1, heal 2, imp turn 1, divine vit 1)
6 Spell Pen II
12 Empower Heal III
10 Life Magic IV
10 Smiting IV
6 Charisma II
12 Wisdom III
2 Human Adaptability: Wisdom
1 Force I (yay wizard splash!)
---
71
3 Toughness II
2 Prayer of Smiting I & Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
1 Wand & Scroll Mastery I
3 Extra Turn II or Energy of the Zealot II (undecided)
---
80

Destiny
Exalted Angel with all 6 Wisdom and whatever else
Twist #1: Necromancy Specialist (+3 necro dc), tier 2 Magister (3 fate points)
Twist #2: Precise Evocation (+2 evo dc), tier 2 Draconic (5 fate points)
Twist #3: Endless Turning (3 turns, 30% faster regen), tier 1 Unyielding (3 fate points)
---
11 fate points total


Casting
19 levels
8 feats
2 enhancements
2 item
5 autogrants
---
36 spell pen (38 w/wizard past life)

18 base
6 levelups
1 feat
4 enhancements
6 destiny
10 items (cleric's set + holy symbol of lolth)
1 +1 tome
---
46 wisdom (18 mod)
2 ship buff
2 +3 tome
---
50

10 base
9 heighten
18 wisdom
1 feat
2 item
3 twist
---
43 necro dc (45 w/ship buff & +3 tome)

10 base
9 heighten
18 wisdom
1 feat
2 item
2 twist
---
42 evo dc (45 w/ship buff, +3 tome and wizard past life)

Subtract 1 dc if using 28pt build. Basically, the end goal on the build is 45 dc for destruction and implosion with 38 spell pen. I'm pretty sure this will be "decent" as opposed to good, but poor clerics don't get bonus feats like wizards do so that's what I ended up with.

The idea is to melee with whatever 2-hander you can find (carnifex, maybe?) using master's touch from 2 to 11, then switch over to bb. Drink fox's cunning pots (ML2) to qualify for casting spells, which is why we don't take wizard until 2. A level 1 wizard with 8 int is no fun at all.

While this build is technically new player friendly, unlike my other new player builds it's not well suited to be a first-ever character. As a second character it should be fine. (Fox's cunning pots would be a plat hardship on a first character.)

EDIT: Just realized that if taking past life: wizard instead of necro focus, you won't qualify for necromancy specialist from magister. I need to tweak this a bit more.

[Viisari]

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male

Stopped reading right here.

[skullzz]

Most of you missed what the OP was getting at.
Yes he should have done 28pt but that is fine.

As new players enter the cleric game they will need to focus on one thing, Healing the group. Once this is mastered then branching into either melee or offensive casting. I know when I play my fvs (first life 28pt clr before radiant servant) I focused on healing and guess what I fail 2 quests due to wipes in crucible back when the cap was 16 and we were running it as level 9's.

Also to those that say the 2 mental toughness feats are not worth it need remember this is a first life cleric. As a first life cleric spell points are tight and those 250 at level 20 help out immensely. Also don't forget they do not have the twink gear for the lower levels. (gs and wizardry items)

Only thing I would suggest to the OP is to drop extend or exchange it at level 20 for something else.

+1 to the OP for making a build that new people to clerics can practice with.

[Xynot2]

You will note that the build I posted gave the guy room to improve on his own. With a first life toon, being new to DDO, I gave him a toon that is great for support and with some light modifications, can do some tanking as well. The key word is *starter* The build I posted: At 20 it can solo heal Shroud. (gear specific). So it's not a trash build by any means. But it gives the guy ideas to modify the character to his tastes without confusion. He doesn't have to ask why about any enhancement. But it does set him up to ask what if. That how I was taught. I was given a fighter build that was pretty good. But definitely not the best and definitely not the only way to build one.

The build was posted for a new person who doesn't/isn't going to understand the enhancement system so I gave him a build he can learn with not be confused by.

[Charononus]

You will note that the build I posted gave the guy room to improve on his own. With a first life toon, being new to DDO, I gave him a toon that is great for support and with some light modifications, can do some tanking as well. The key word is *starter* The build I posted: At 20 it can solo heal Shroud. (gear specific). So it's not a trash build by any means. But it gives the guy ideas to modify the character to his tastes without confusion. He doesn't have to ask why about any enhancement. But it does set him up to ask what if. That how I was taught. I was given a fighter build that was pretty good. But definitely not the best and definitely not the only way to build one.

The build was posted for a new person who doesn't/isn't going to understand the enhancement system so I gave him a build he can learn with not be confused by.

Honestly I really don't like your teaching methods then. IMO give the new person the best build you can within their requirements and walk them thru why for it. Then answer questions as they learn the game. Giving a build with several major flaws and calling it room for improvement is pretty horrible imo.

[Xynot2]

Honestly I really don't like your teaching methods then. IMO give the new person the best build you can within their requirements and walk them thru why for it. Then answer questions as they learn the game. Giving a build with several major flaws and calling it room for improvement is pretty horrible imo.

Excuse me? Build with several major flaws? That build solo healed Shroud without potions, thank you very much. That build waltzed thru every undead soloable campaign. I would be willing to bet with the new ED system that I could solo heal Epic VoN. Dont insult my build. It may have room for improvement but ask anyone who has had Medicone in their party how good of a toon he was. This is how the sheet I followed looks. I did change some balance things. But no one told me to. I figured it out by playing and it made Medic a better toon and me a better player because I learned it and wasn't handed it.

[Viisari]

That build solo healed Shroud without potions, thank you very much.

A decently played bard can solo heal shroud, what's your point?

[Charononus]

Excuse me? Build with several major flaws? That build solo healed Shroud without potions, thank you very much. That build waltzed thru every undead soloable campaign. I would be willing to bet with the new ED system that I could solo heal Epic VoN. Dont insult my build. It may have room for improvement but ask anyone who has had Medicone in their party how good of a toon he was. This is how the sheet I followed looks. I did change some balance things. But no one told me to. I figured it out by playing and it made Medic a better toon and me a better player because I learned it and wasn't handed it.

I've played with medicone, you could heal and that was it. Yes in some fights that's fine but lg takes more damage than is needed, the build has low spell dc's which means it can't contribute in some fights effectively, lower spell pen same thing, lower dps on dots which means not as effective of a contribution during boss fights. No way to fire shield which means you will get massively hurt by anything with a dbf. A cleric that can only heal is has major flaws in the build. There are times I only heal on a cleric, certain raid fights ext, but building to only do that is a major flaw imo.

[Xynot2]

A decently played bard can solo heal shroud, what's your point?

really? a bard heal an elite shroud? that I would like to see. Especially since they're never spec'd that way because it gimps the rest of the toon. I gave toon name- give toon name. I want to know this bard.

[Musouka]

You will note that the build I posted gave the guy room to improve on his own. With a first life toon, being new to DDO, I gave him a toon that is great for support and with some light modifications, can do some tanking as well. The key word is *starter* The build I posted: At 20 it can solo heal Shroud. (gear specific). So it's not a trash build by any means. But it gives the guy ideas to modify the character to his tastes without confusion. He doesn't have to ask why about any enhancement. But it does set him up to ask what if. That how I was taught. I was given a fighter build that was pretty good. But definitely not the best and definitely not the only way to build one.

The build was posted for a new person who doesn't/isn't going to understand the enhancement system so I gave him a build he can learn with not be confused by.

You forgot some things that were commented on already. New guys aren't going to have 32 point build right off the bat. Nor will they have direct access to +2 tomes by level 7.

[Xynot2]

You forgot some things that were commented on already. New guys aren't going to have 32 point build right off the bat. Nor will they have direct access to +2 tomes by level 7.

I know and if you look at the con stat it shows in parenthesis the stat upgrade for 32 pt. talked to him in game and told him I could help him with it. This is the only forum I'm on that he has access to. support is in game.

[Musouka]

I know and if you look at the con stat it shows in parenthesis the stat upgrade for 32 pt. talked to him in game and told him I could help him with it. This is the only forum I'm on that he has access to. support is in game.

If this was specifically for one user, why didn't you use the Forum Private Message system?

The parenthesis seem to be what you would do for TR, not what you would do for 28 point build, nor without tomes...

[Xynot2]

If this was specifically for one user, why didn't you use the Forum Private Message system?

The parenthesis seem to be what you would do for TR, not what you would do for 28 point build, nor without tomes...

F2P. I dont know what He has access to. It was the easiest route.