Memnir @ PAX: A Report with Artificer Info

[Samadhi]

You find it amusing? Lol, that's rich. Of course it's a bad thing. They are requiring a significant amount of time in exchange for getting it free. I think 3+months (that's assuming U12 releases on "time", and that's a huge assumption) after release is significant time, but that's just my opinion.

I would consider a single week a significant amount of time under these circumstances. It really doesn't matter if its 1 day or 3 months. VIP's are not supposed to be penalized. This is a penalty, with a blatant attempt at getting us to "buy it early" with real $$ instead of waiting for a module SOON.

[Hokiewa]

I would consider a single week a significant amount of time under these circumstances. It really doesn't matter if its 1 day or 3 months. VIP's are not supposed to be penalized. This is a penalty, with a blatant attempt at getting us to "buy it early" with real $$ instead of waiting for a module SOON.

I certainly agree with you. It's just another stellar example of the disconnect btw Turbine and it's player base. This isn't a VIP/prem issue, this is just absurd. I was pointing out the ridiculousness of the individual that mistakenly believed a favor unlock would be quick.

Of course VIPs should get it for free (upon launch of U11), they really borked it with FvS and paved the way for this nonsense.

[Grenada]

I don't mind the favor unlock personally, but vips have to pay for a class?

Really? Isn't the whole point of vip that you only have to pay for the fluffy stuff (cosmetics, exp pots, renown pots, crafting boosters, etc) if you want?

[Ryiah]

You find it amusing? Lol, that's rich. Of course it's a bad thing. They are requiring a significant amount of time in exchange for getting it free. I think 3+months (that's assuming U12 releases on "time", and that's a huge assumption) after release is significant time, but that's just my opinion.

I think you overestimate the amount of development time going into U12 unless they've suddenly completely changed their development cycles. Even so it won't have a new class. So it should be considerably faster going through testing just on those grounds alone.

Also the period of wait is a one-time thing. After U12 comes out, any waiting period will no longer occur. If a newcomer wants to own the class, they simply have to purchase two adventure packs. Compare this to Favored Soul where you would need enough content to get 2500 favor. It is easily conceivable that someone could hit level 20 and get a decent amount of gear while still lacking enough content to get 2500 favor. Thus Favored Soul is far worse.

Oh and you'd think after being a DDO player since 2006 that you would have learned a little patience. After all, how many years have they been promising Druid? Any wait for Artificer is significantly shorter than the wait we've been going through for that class.

We don't have to pay for monk as VIP...

In the case of VIPs, I see no reason they shouldn't get it immediately. Good to know I'll have one less reason to stay VIP.

[licho]

Players are full of joy and amusment.
They get bonus TP as sunscribers and almost all content and then complain that they can buy real content, or cant rebuy it all on 50% sales so can go free forever.
Then finally shows up something solid to buy, and still compain...
Or actually do not have to buy just need to do like 10 adventures and its their.
Or just hold on sp pots for month and buy it for all servers.
Chillout.

Why there is a lot of overreacion here, some minor discount for subscribers would be welcome. Like 20% discount for vips only after release, so they feel they are care about.

[Hokiewa]

I think you overestimate the amount of development time going into U12 unless they've suddenly completely changed their development cycles. Even so it won't have a new class. So it should be considerably faster going through testing just on those grounds alone.

Also the period of wait is a one-time thing. After U12 comes out, any waiting period will no longer occur. If a newcomer wants to own the class, they simply have to purchase two adventure packs. Compare this to Favored Soul where you would need enough content to get 2500 favor. It is easily conceivable that someone could hit level 20 and get a decent amount of gear while still lacking enough content to get 2500 favor. Thus Favored Soul is far worse.

Oh and you'd think after being a DDO player since 2006 that you would have learned a little patience. After all, how many years have they been promising Druid? Any wait for Artificer is significantly shorter than the wait we've been going through for that class.

It's clear you didn't completely read what Mem wrote. U11 will not contain the favor necessary to obtain Artificer. U12 will hopefully be release at the end of 2011.

You obviously missed my part about the FvS debacle as well. Read more, assume less.

Despite your little troll about my join date/patience, I was simply pointing out what you missed.

Druids? Druids? You make no sense here. I don't think I /ragequit or whine or whatever you assume. I'm simply pointing out the fallacies in your replies. I'm thinking of the well-being of the game in general, not myself in particular. Why do you?

[Samadhi]

I think you overestimate the amount of development time going into U12 unless they've suddenly completely changed their development cycles. Even so it won't have a new class. So it should be considerably faster going through testing just on those grounds alone.

Also the period of wait is a one-time thing. After U12 comes out, any waiting period will no longer occur. If a newcomer wants to own the class, they simply have to purchase two adventure packs. Compare this to Favored Soul where you would need enough content to get 2500 favor. It is easily conceivable that someone could hit level 20 and get a decent amount of gear while still lacking enough content to get 2500 favor. Thus Favored Soul is far worse.

Oh and you'd think after being a DDO player since 2006 that you would have learned a little patience. After all, how many years have they been promising Druid? Any wait for Artificer is significantly shorter than the wait we've been going through for that class.

Myself, and many others, had FvS the day it came out. If you want to tie it to Cannith favor, and require us to run new content first - I don't like it, but it makes sense. Having to wait ANY amount of time before we even have the possibility of earning it? That is not acceptable to what being a VIP is supposed to mean.

You are confusing player-wait time (because they are new or haven't grinded favor yet) which is optional; with Turbine imposed wait time (you must wait this long or pay up; no exceptions).

And your druid comparison doesn't even make sense.

I don't mind the favor unlock personally, but vips have to pay for a class?

Really? Isn't the whole point of vip that you only have to pay for the fluffy stuff (cosmetics, exp pots, renown pots, crafting boosters, etc) if you want?

Yes

[Samadhi]

Players are full of joy and amusment.
They get bonus TP as sunscribers and almost all content and then complain that they can buy real content, or cant rebuy it all on 50% sales so can go free forever.
Then finally shows up something solid to buy, and still compain...
Or actually do not have to buy just need to do like 10 adventures and its their.
Or just hold on sp pots for month and buy it for all servers.
Chillout.

Why there is a lot of overreacion here, some minor discount for subscribers would be welcome. Like 20% discount for vips only after release, so they feel they are care about.

You act like being VIP is free. No, it costs money every month. The trade-off of that, is we are supposed to *never* have to worry about buying content.

Now, we are being told that our monthly subscription is not enough. They want additional money to get what premium model players can get at day 1. If I buy it, and stay VIP, am I going to get a refund when I can earn it with favor in a couple months? Yeah right.

Worst marketing ploy ever.

[SilverSong]

While as a Makerting Ploy I can see it makes great since. Get us all pumped up to play a new class. Release said class with U11, but the only way to get it is play for it. Then put it out that in 3 or more months said class will be free as a favor unlock. Most will just buy the class. This will bring them the most cash in.


As a player and a vip, I personaly think it sucks. I was really looking forward to Tring my rogue that has been at level 16 since the cap was that, as an Art. Now I dought I will even play one. Since it will be Xmas or later before I can even unlock the class. Which by that time, I might be playing another game full time, and this one part time. /sigh

Hen don't play TPS to buy your hearts of woods, you run epics enough you shouldn't have too.

[Doganpc]

Drow & Favored Soul are not free to VIP either. Artificer is in the same category, you can favor grind it per server or you can just buy it. The difference between VIP & Premium is that VIP doesn't have to buy the adventure packs to earn the favor for Artificer. This is basically it for me. I would suggest you buy Artificer so that you can enjoy its OP features before they nerf it in the update afterwards where favor will unlock it for everyone.

Dogan
Hell if you do, Hell if you don't.

[Ryiah]

Myself, and many others, had FvS the day it came out. If you want to tie it to Cannith favor, and require us to run new content first - I don't like it, but it makes sense. Having to wait ANY amount of time before we even have the possibility of earning it? That is not acceptable to what being a VIP is supposed to mean.

I agree in regards to the comment about VIP. However, where in my comment did I mention I was referring to VIPs? At the time I was assuming VIPs were given access to it for free. I didn't see anyone mention that wasn't the case. Either I skimmed over their post and simply didn't see it or the post was put there while I slowly thought over and typed up my comments.

Maybe I should have been more clear in that I was talking mostly about non-VIPs.

It's clear you didn't completely read what Mem wrote. U11 will not contain the favor necessary to obtain Artificer. U12 will hopefully be release at the end of 2011.

I completely read what Mem wrote. I'm not denying that U12 won't be necessary. For that matter, we don't even know for sure if VIPs won't have access to the class immediately. Look at all the talk that happened concerning crafting at the last big convention and how that turned out. Just because someone at PAX says something doesn't mean it will stay that way.

Why there is a lot of overreacion here, some minor discount for subscribers would be welcome. Like 20% discount for vips only after release, so they feel they are care about.

The entire point of VIP is that you pay a monthly subscription fee to get all the content (races, classes, adventure packs, etc). There's no overreaction to this fact. Being told you can purchase it for a discount is literally a slap in the face to those who stayed VIP when they could have gone Premium.

In my case, I went VIP long enough for the bonus points and early access to the class. I'll probably stick to VIP until we know absolutely for sure it won't be available which probably means until U11 goes live.

[Calebro]

Drow & Favored Soul are not free to VIP either.

Their argument is that Drow and Favored Soul were indeed free the day they were released, because the favor to unlock them had already been achieved. The favor to unlock Artificers isn't even available to achieve when they'll be released.
So even though Drow and Favored Soul needed favor to unlock, just like Artificer, they were still available for free on day one, unlike Artificer.

*note that I don't really care one way or the other, but I understand why they're upset.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

It's clear you didn't completely read what Mem wrote. U11 will not contain the favor necessary to obtain Artificer. U12 will hopefully be release at the end of 2011.

What I read was this:

Yep, you read that right - the Favor unlock won't be until the update after this update.

Which I took to mean the favor will be there, just not the unlock option.
So when U11 hits, I can buy the packs and get the favor and it'll sit there until U12 hits and the option appears.
And yes, this is totally a premium advantage, which suits me okay, but I feel for the VIPs. Either way, it sounds like there'll be time enough to grind TP or just save it up.

[Mysteran]

Drow & Favored Soul are not free to VIP either. Artificer is in the same category, you can favor grind it per server or you can just buy it. The difference between VIP & Premium is that VIP doesn't have to buy the adventure packs to earn the favor for Artificer. This is basically it for me. I would suggest you buy Artificer so that you can enjoy its OP features before they nerf it in the update afterwards where favor will unlock it for everyone.

Dogan
Hell if you do, Hell if you don't.

As a VIP member I was able to start as Drow and Favored Soul without faction...

[Hokiewa]

What I read was this:



Which I took to mean the favor will be there, just not the unlock option.
So when U11 hits, I can buy the packs and get the favor and it'll sit there until U12 hits and the option appears.
And yes, this is totally a premium advantage, which suits me okay, but I feel for the VIPs. Either way, it sounds like there'll be time enough to grind TP or just save it up.

The favor doesn't currently exist. Currently on Lam it is ~92/150.

[Hokiewa]

Just because someone at PAX says something doesn't mean it will stay that way.

Lol, when the producer of a game states something 16 days before launch, at a massive event, knowing full well who he was talking to.....that's almost a 100% lock. I'll grant you a small, miniscule amount of leeway.

Of course, Memnir could have been in one of his screenshot-induced hazes.....but very unlikely.

[Ryiah]

Lol, when the producer of a game states something 16 days before launch, at a massive event, knowing full well who he was talking to.....that's almost a 100% lock. I'll grant you a small, miniscule amount of leeway.

About the only thing I could dig up without wasting a lot of time that I didn't feel like wasting was an article from Massively talking with Fernando about being able to remove a prefix/suffix from an item and reattach it to another item. While it is technically correct in some ways, it is also a bit incorrect in that you can't just outright reattach the same thing to an item because in some cases the prefix/suffix isn't available in the construction phase.

Granted it isn't a great example, but the article is dated only a week before it went live. If I cared enough I could probably dig up something better.

[bigolbear]

Personly the ONLY issue i have with this is VIPS(of whch im not one) getting screwed again. I really hope they get access to ALL CONTENT for that sub.

as the new class and new pack will be connected some how it would be nice for us premiums to get a 'deal' if we buy both at the same time.

[Gratan]

Why there is a lot of overreacion here, some minor discount for subscribers would be welcome. Like 20% discount for vips only after release, so they feel they are care about.

This is not an overreaction. As a VIP we are suposed to have access to all content. If it was as simple as run the new content on elite and you have it. that would be fine even though i am suposed to have it to begin with. No, it is buy it or wait months. This is not the same as waiting for druids as some have said. Artificers will be out, not still in developement, and we as VIP's still wont have access to it. I am thinking more and more those that saved up their TP's and went preium were really the smart ones at this point.

[vengfarga]

OK, now unlike others here, I AM a VIP player - it's less complicated. Even if it does arguably cost more over enough years.
I like getting to play all the new stuff rather than picking and choosing or worrying about special offers. And us VIPs are already being looked after on this - extra bonus TPs for 3 months of VIP status.
So how much is Artificer gonna cost?
In all probability the extra points from the promo will offset much of the cost of the new class. And we get to swank around with all the new toys first. And loot the AH for kit we want first. And generally ... well, act like a bunch of, erm, VIPs!