Memnir @ PAX: A Report with Artificer Info

[oradafu]

OK, now unlike others here, I AM a VIP player - it's less complicated. Even if it does arguably cost more over enough years.
I like getting to play all the new stuff rather than picking and choosing or worrying about special offers. And us VIPs are already being looked after on this - extra bonus TPs for 3 months of VIP status.
So how much is Artificer gonna cost?
In all probability the extra points from the promo will offset much of the cost of the new class. And we get to swank around with all the new toys first. And loot the AH for kit we want first. And generally ... well, act like a bunch of, erm, VIPs!

Well, if you're like me, it took three phone calls to receive that 1000 TP. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who haven't received any of those extra TPs.

[Gratan]

OK, now unlike others here, I AM a VIP player - it's less complicated. Even if it does arguably cost more over enough years.
I like getting to play all the new stuff rather than picking and choosing or worrying about special offers. And us VIPs are already being looked after on this - extra bonus TPs for 3 months of VIP status.
So how much is Artificer gonna cost?
In all probability the extra points from the promo will offset much of the cost of the new class. And we get to swank around with all the new toys first. And loot the AH for kit we want first. And generally ... well, act like a bunch of, erm, VIPs!

Hmmm. For starters the extra TP was only for two months. They started midmonth and ended midmonth to give the allusion that it is three months but in reality it was two. Second they didnt tell us they were going to charge us for the new class and these points were suposed to pay for the class. and Third i am a VIP i am not suposed to have to pay for the new class. If i wanted to pick and choose what i wanted i would have been Premium and it looks like that is really the payment model they want their regular subscribers to take.

[weewoo0]

Hmmm. For starters the extra TP was only for two months. They started midmonth and ended midmonth to give the allusion that it is three months but in reality it was two. Second they didnt tell us they were going to charge us for the new class and these points were suposed to pay for the class. and Third i am a VIP i am not suposed to have to pay for the new class. If i wanted to pick and choose what i wanted i would have been Premium and it looks like that is really the payment model they want their regular subscribers to take.

from http://www.ddo.com/en/news/1278-vip-...-month-special

"Being a VIP means you have access to all adventure packs, races and classes** during the course of your subscription"
"**The Drow race and Favoured Soul class are available to VIPs through game-play or through purchase at the DDO Store. Once acquired through game-play, the race or class is available for any new character or true reincarnated character on the same server."

i see no mention of artificer not being free to VIPs meaning that either fernando is wrong or they're advertising a paid service incorrectly.

sooooo yea. turbine. before you let people say things like that make sure your site matches your statements.

[blkcat1028]

Other than having to wait til there's enough House C favour, how is this different from having to either unlock or pay for the Favoured Soul?

[Gratan]

Other than having to wait til there's enough House C favour, how is this different from having to either unlock or pay for the Favoured Soul?

Favored soul was availble from favor day one. Artificer will not be. So artificer is pay now(and get for free with favor later) or wait months.

[Hokiewa]

About the only thing I could dig up without wasting a lot of time that I didn't feel like wasting was an article from Massively talking with Fernando about being able to remove a prefix/suffix from an item and reattach it to another item. While it is technically correct in some ways, it is also a bit incorrect in that you can't just outright reattach the same thing to an item because in some cases the prefix/suffix isn't available in the construction phase.

Granted it isn't a great example, but the article is dated only a week before it went live. If I cared enough I could probably dig up something better.

Apparently you do care, though you keep bringing up useless things you think are comparable. That wasn't a quote from Fernanda FYI (hence the absence of quotes around it, unlike earlier in the article), that was Massively's interpretation of the crafting system. So no, not correct. Gigantic difference, though it's apparent you can't tell. Regardless, it is what it is.

[goreax]

from http://www.ddo.com/en/news/1278-vip-...-month-special

i see no mention of artificer not being free to VIPs meaning that either fernando is wrong or they're advertising a paid service incorrectly.

sooooo yea. turbine. before you let people say things like that make sure your site matches your statements.

As a VIP we are suposed to have access to all content. If it was as simple as run the new content on elite and you have it. that would be fine even though i am suposed to have it to begin with. No, it is buy it or wait months.

Some incorrect stuff here.

http://www.ddo.com/vip

It clearly states that VIPs must either Earn Free or Buy 'Favor Based' classes, which will include Artificer. It also doesn't guarantee that the favor must be available at the time one of those classes is launched. I can understand being upset about the delay in favor being available, but it is not correct to state that VIPs should have been give Artificer for free on day one. Also the page weewoo0 posted has not been updated since U11 hasn't gone live. Expect it to include Artificer along with Favored Soul and Drow in the footnote when it does.

[Gratan]

It clearly states that VIPs must either Earn Free or Buy 'Favor Based' classes, which will include Artificer. It also doesn't guarantee that the favor must be available at the time one of those classes is launched. I can understand being upset about the delay in favor being available, but it is not correct to state that VIPs should have been give Artificer for free on day one. Also the page weewoo0 posted has not been updated since U11 hasn't gone live. Expect it to include Artificer along with Favored Soul and Drow in the footnote when it does.

Yes and they are free to change the definition of VIP whenever and however they want. They have already done so, which is why it is upsetting. It was clear that VIP were to have access to all content when it was released and now they are changing that position. Like i said it seems they want their subscribers to be F2P or Premium. I am looking ahead as well. I can see Mod13 Druids availble to any that purchase or to VIP in Mod15 and all new quests availbe in an easy to buy pack or availble to VIPs in mod14.

[oradafu]

Yes and they are free to change the definition of VIP whenever and however they want. They have already done so, which is why it is upsetting. It was clear that VIP were to have access to all content when it was released and now they are changing that position. Like i said it seems they want their subscribers to be F2P or Premium. I am looking ahead as well. I can see Mod13 Druids availble to any that purchase or to VIP in Mod15 and all new quests availbe in an easy to buy pack or availble to VIPs in mod14.

I see you snuck into their offices again and stole their plans. They real should change the locks on those doors and file cabinets.

[blkcat1028]

Yes and they are free to change the definition of VIP whenever and however they want. They have already done so, which is why it is upsetting. It was clear that VIP were to have access to all content when it was released and now they are changing that position. Like i said it seems they want their subscribers to be F2P or Premium. I am looking ahead as well. I can see Mod13 Druids availble to any that purchase or to VIP in Mod15 and all new quests availbe in an easy to buy pack or availble to VIPs in mod14.

I've been VIP since I started playing over a year and a half ago. The favour based class thingy was in place then. This is not a new concept. If you were going to complain about VIPs having to either unlock or purchase favour based classes, you should have done it when the Favoured Soul was released.

The precedent has been set.

Having to wait til there's more House C favour is unfortunate, but hardly cataclysmic.

[Alexandryte]

Apparently you do care, though you keep bringing up useless things you think are comparable. That wasn't a quote from Fernanda FYI (hence the absence of quotes around it, unlike earlier in the article), that was Massively's interpretation of the crafting system. So no, not correct. Gigantic difference, though it's apparent you can't tell. Regardless, it is what it is.

Actually those were his exact words. I was standing right near him while he was giving an interview on the show floor at PAX EAST. What he failed to mention is a short time before the demo the system changed. That is why attendees could not try out the crafting system for themselves.

So.....unless you are calling someone who was there when he gave that interview a liar...

Fernando is a very nice guy and very forthright with what he knows at the time. The only issue seemed to be that there appears to be one or more levels that we don't see between him and the devs with eyes on the forum, so "information lag" sets in.

[Angelus_dead]

I've been VIP since I started playing over a year and a half ago. The favour based class thingy was in place then. This is not a new concept

That's simply false: never before has a class, race, or other major feature been locked according to favor from dungeons that don't exist yet.

No precedent was set because the situation was entirely different.

If you were going to complain about VIPs having to either unlock or purchase favour based classes, you should have done it when the Favoured Soul was released.

That would've been illogical and unjustifiable, since buying Favored Soul with TP was only necessary if you were too lazy or impatient to have gotten 2500 favor already.

Buy 'Favor Based' classes, which will include Artificer. It also doesn't guarantee that the favor must be available at the time one of those classes is launched.

Reality check:
If feature X is available from nonexistent favor, then feature X is not available from favor.

[Hambo]

As a VIP member I was able to start as Drow and Favored Soul without faction...

Before Drow was originally introduced in the first or second year nobody had any favor... both Drow and Favor were introduced in the same Mod.

There were no premium or F2P options at the time... Everyone had exactly the same opportunity to get Drow since Turbine gave favor credit for completed quests and most of us were able to unlock Drow that day.

When FvS was introduced about the same time the Vip/Premium/Free play started, the only ways to get FvS were favor unlock or TP, and since TP were introduced at the same time, most existing players got a bonus of up to 5000TP (based on years of subscription). I personally used part of my bonus to buy FvS, since I did not have the required favor.

With the exception of Drow, VIP has traditionally recieved Races automatically. Classes were another story, with Monk originally having to be unlocked. TP purchase was not available at that time. Monk was thrown in with the new Tier system, and WF were added as purchase only for non-VIP.

I see Artificers as being the same as FvS... Vips do not get either for free and anyone can unlock via favor (FvS sooner than Arti) or purchased. While some may feel that this is unfair to VIP, I, as a VIP, see it as the same policy set down with the payment tiers.

I cannot see the TP cost for Arti being more than for an FvS, and with the end of summer bonus to my "allowance" I should have enough.

[Hambo]

Lol, when the producer of a game states something 16 days before launch, at a massive event, knowing full well who he was talking to.....that's almost a 100% lock. I'll grant you a small, miniscule amount of leeway.

Of course, Memnir could have been in one of his screenshot-induced hazes.....but very unlikely.

But this was Fernando...

[Calebro]

But this was Fernando...

[blkcat1028]

That's simply false: never before has a class, race, or other major feature been locked according to favor from dungeons that don't exist yet.

No precedent was set because the situation was entirely different.


That would've been illogical and unjustifiable, since buying Favored Soul with TP was only necessary if you were too lazy or impatient to have gotten 2500 favor already.

I understand that, and if you had read my earlier post you would've have seen the question was "Other than having to wait until there's enough House C favour, how is this any different from the Favoured Soul?"

There is a common misunderstanding of what VIPs get. It has been stated several times in this thread that VIP is supposed to give access to everything and that Turbine is changing the VIP plan on the fly. This is not true.

My point: The VIP plan is the same now as it was a year and a half ago.

Having to wait for the favour to be available is sad , but they've given us more content with the likelihood of more later this year.

With every update we, as VIPs, are getting more for our money.

[Angelus_dead]

There is a common misunderstanding of what VIPs get. It has been stated several times in this thread that VIP is supposed to give access to everything and that Turbine is changing the VIP plan on the fly. This is not true.

Nope, you're the one who is incorrect. Turbine is changing what VIPs get, because they're creating a new character class which is not available from favor and then not including it in VIP access.

They have a plan in the works to give the new class for favor eventually, but until the the day that happens, Artificer is not a favor-unlockable class.

To say that the Artificer class included in U11 is favor-unlockable is flatly untrue.

[blkcat1028]

Nope, you're the one who is incorrect. Turbine is changing what VIPs get, because they're creating a new character class which is not available from favor and then not including it in VIP access.

They have a plan in the works to give the new class for favor eventually, but until the the day that happens, Artificer is not a favor-unlockable class.

To say that the Artificer class included in U11 is favor-unlockable is flatly untrue.

Patience young Padawan, it will be... it will be

[Angelus_dead]

Patience young Padawan, it will be... it will be

The selling point for having a VIP subscription is that you don't need to be patient.

To take that away undermines the reason for people to pay for those subscriptions at all.

[blkcat1028]

The selling point for having a VIP subscription is that you don't need to be patient.

lol. That is a good point.