Elite Raid-athon tonight (Sat on Lam)! 6PM EST (ToD, VoD, etc)

[Calebro]

I'm not looking for ppl who can't answer a simple yes or no question, so I will continue to decline you no matter what server, no matter what quest all the time if you are unwilling to respond thanks.

LOL
I wans't answering your "simple questions" because there was no need for them. I won't jump through hoops to get into a raid on live. I'm certainly not going to do it on Lama when there are 5 open spots in the party....

Simple gear checks benefit everyone by giving us all a better chance at wining.

How'd that work out for ya?

[Nick_RC]

That's what happens when there's only a handful of players on the server at the time that are interested and you decide to play 20 questions with the people that hit the LFM.
Sorry man, but I wasn't playing 20 questions with you when the entire purpose was only to test their new strengths and the loot was worthless because we weren't going to get to keep it.
It didn't have to be a 9 man pug....

Hey don't mean to be a ****** but personally I'd rather go in short man for something than with undergeared toons(not saying you have one-just in general) as often they are more of a hindrance than help. Even moreso when you want to test things - just less noise. If he doesn't know you i can understand a gear check for a potentially ramped up elite Tod.

Shade- couldn't get on in that timeframe- if the new raid goes live I'm sure there will be rev guys able to run it after.

N

[Shade]

Shade- couldn't get on in that timeframe- if the new raid goes live I'm sure there will be rev guys able to run it after.

N

Yea no problem, i got what the testing I wanted out of it. See ya on the new raids.

[Shade]

How'd that work out for ya?

Excellent, we had a full group of lvl20s all very willing to work together as a cohesive team for 2 attempts back to back.

Thanks again to everyone who came. All did a great job.

[Vanshilar]

Part3, got horoth down to 75% pretty fast. Was a wipe after that.. Was a 9 man pug attempt really so very tough.

No boss has 100% fort. Not even thte judge, vanshilar was wrong. Lotsa crits everywhere. 50% fort probably, maybe 75%.

Wil give more detailed feedback later.

VoD elite forming now.

As I mentioned the testing was pretty preliminary, due to small sample size. For what it's worth though, the testing was basically going into part 1, suiciding on one boss, and then looking at the combat log of the video for every crit attempt (ESoS so 15-20 rolls) and seeing if it was resisted or not. Given the time it took to set up each attempt I wasn't about to try for big sample sizes. The data, and the resulting 95% confidence interval of the true fort (i.e. based on the data, 95% probability that the actual fort is within the given interval) was:

Jailer (orthon):
Normal: 4 crits out of 5 attempts (4%-62% fort)
Hard: 0 crits out of 2 attempts (34%-100% fort)
Elite: 3 crits out of 19 attempts (62%-94% fort)

Judge (pit fiend):
Normal: 3 crits out of 5 attempts (12%-77% fort)
Hard: 5 crits out of 13 attempts (36%-82% fort)
Elite: 0 crits out of 6 attempts (61%-100% fort)

I guess if 3 crits out of 19 crit attempts is considered "Lotsa crits everywhere" that's your prerogative.

(Oh yeah, I know the Judge is a horned devil like Suulomades not a pit fiend like Arraetrikos, but I refer to them colloquially as that because not everyone knows which one's the Jailer and which one's the Judge and "pit fiend" is likely a more known term rather than "horned devil". Although looking on ddowiki, perhaps "pig" for Jailer and "chicken" for Judge might be more useful terms.)

[KreepyKritter]

Meh... even if I'd been able to make it, my gear likely wouldn't have passed muster. The TR I transferred still had most (not all) of his cap gear in his Cache when he copied...

[Shade]

It looks like the Judge has fort of 50% 75% 100%, although again that's just guessing because of a small sample size. (Current Jailer is ~0% fort for all difficulties, and the pit fiends in ToD are currently all 50% fort on all difficulties.)

I guess if 3 crits out of 19 crit attempts is considered "Lotsa crits everywhere" that's your prerogative.

Really expecting more from you Vanshilar. Thats rather petty.

You know as well as anyone that 19 attempts is far too little to make any kind of assumption that anywhere near accurate. So saying 100%, even as a guess.. It's rather poor form.

And also don't understand how/why your mixing stuff that YOU said (which holds no weight as running in and suicididing hoping to be lucky with such a small sample size is far too little data to tell us anything) .... as if I said it..

How would I have killed the Judge, and only gotten 19 crits attempts when my weapon was an epic sword of shadow? .. I couldnt. (and actaully we failed part 1 twice, each time getting the judge very low, so I got to see nearly 3x wort his maassive HP bar worth of crits happening, oh and switched to a greataxe for run 3 as I changed up lots of gear and strategy to make things smoother)

I got several hundred, if not over a thousand of attempts. And all I said it felt like 50-75%, which I stand by. And everyone else in my raidgroup agreed.

Bit wasted atm so ill post my full thoughts on these runs tomorow. Again thanks for coming guys.

[DragonTroy]

As I mentioned the testing was pretty preliminary, due to small sample size. For what it's worth though, the testing was basically going into part 1, suiciding on one boss, and then looking at the combat log of the video for every crit attempt (ESoS so 15-20 rolls) and seeing if it was resisted or not. Given the time it took to set up each attempt I wasn't about to try for big sample sizes. The data, and the resulting 95% confidence interval of the true fort (i.e. based on the data, 95% probability that the actual fort is within the given interval) was:

Jailer (orthon):
Normal: 4 crits out of 5 attempts (4%-62% fort)
Hard: 0 crits out of 2 attempts (34%-100% fort)
Elite: 3 crits out of 19 attempts (62%-94% fort)

Judge (pit fiend):
Normal: 3 crits out of 5 attempts (12%-77% fort)
Hard: 5 crits out of 13 attempts (36%-82% fort)
Elite: 0 crits out of 6 attempts (61%-100% fort)

I guess if 3 crits out of 19 crit attempts is considered "Lotsa crits everywhere" that's your prerogative.

(Oh yeah, I know the Judge is a horned devil like Suulomades not a pit fiend like Arraetrikos, but I refer to them colloquially as that because not everyone knows which one's the Jailer and which one's the Judge and "pit fiend" is likely a more known term rather than "horned devil". Although looking on ddowiki, perhaps "pig" for Jailer and "chicken" for Judge might be more useful terms.)

im going to assume you had some incredible bad luck with the fort, because everyone in the raid was mentioning how they we're still seeing crits, myself included, on both the judge and jailer, the shadowmaster, and horoth. i think we we're hearing more about resisted crits from the stormreaver


on a better note, excellent running with you shade, had an amazing time. hope to be able to bring a toon to the new raids if they let us see those on lammania as well

[Shade]

on a better note, excellent running with you shade, had an amazing time. hope to be able to bring a toon to the new raids if they let us see those on lammania as well

Thanks for coming. Yep keep an eye out for a sign up for new raid once its released, ill post it on this forum.

[DragonTroy]

Thanks for coming. Yep keep an eye out for a sign up for new raid once its released, ill post it on this forum.

ill be sure to. if they're anything like the new quests, they'll have a lot of potential. and still wondering what some of this stuff upgraded looks like


also, id be up for testing elite VoD if you get the chance, wanted to see if sally deserved getting a boys name

[protokon]

Rather than taking a shot at someone like everyone else seems to be doing, I'm gonna give a bit of feedback on what I saw:

It would appear the judge now has metamagics, empower maximize and possibly heighten. We were seeing chain lightning hit for 200's (and as high as 350 from what I saw). Same with fireball, similar damage.

We failed the first two attempts while attemping to kill the judge first. the third attempt we kited the judge and beat down the jailor first, since he was much less dangerous, and that allowed the entire group to focus on the judge with no distractions - which worked well, I think we lost 2 out of the 9 people in part 1. I still think the most dangerous components are being thrown around the room with the traps hitting on elite, which will knock most people out. The other trouble would be getting caught with a curse and not removing it fast enough before being taken out by the judge. Nothing new here, just a higher risk now that it takes longer to kill the judge.

Part 2 was interesting. several times we had someone tanking die very quickly - which we suspect may have been con damage rendering our tanks into helpless state, as they both were kept up at a pretty steady pace and dropped like bricks. It's also possible they just got very unlucky and were critted several times in a row, since we were using recklessness. Nytherios also seemed to have higher hp than he used to.

Part 3 is definitely where your group shows how tough it is. Horoth is a true monster now, as he was pummeling our barbarian tank so hard he looked like a 190hp rogue fighting harry in shroud. We had two healers (including myself) constantly throwing heals, heal scrolls, and we still could not keep him up. I believe shade was sitting around 850hp which is a bit higher than the average barbarian I am used to healing in tod (most I have healed in the past sit around 780 with yugo pots) I believe Shade said he was hitting for nearly 120-140 damage per swing, not including badges or other sources of damage. Our biggest mistakes was not keep consistent measures of damage migitation up, we should have kept a cloudkill going and a displace on Shade but the party was scrambling to try and kill suulo and recover after shade's first death. It only took two shots to knock my 550hp cleric down to 0 from horoth, how insane. All around a solid effort from a team of stud gamers, but we probably should have taken the instance a little more serious to complete. Good fun, it was great seeing the changes and to meet some awesome players from other servers.

The raid actually feels elite now, nice.

[DragonTroy]

Rather than taking a shot at someone like everyone else seems to be doing, I'm gonna give a bit of feedback on what I saw:

It would appear the judge now has metamagics, empower maximize and possibly heighten. We were seeing chain lightning hit for 200's (and as high as 350 from what I saw). Same with fireball, similar damage.

We failed the first two attempts while attemping to kill the judge first. the third attempt we kited the judge and beat down the jailor first, since he was much less dangerous, and that allowed the entire group to focus on the judge with no distractions - which worked well, I think we lost 2 out of the 9 people in part 1. I still think the most dangerous components are being thrown around the room with the traps hitting on elite, which will knock most people out. The other trouble would be getting caught with a curse and not removing it fast enough before being taken out by the judge. Nothing new here, just a higher risk now that it takes longer to kill the judge.

Part 2 was interesting. several times we had someone tanking die very quickly - which we suspect may have been con damage rendering our tanks into helpless state, as they both were kept up at a pretty steady pace and dropped like bricks. It's also possible they just got very unlucky and were critted several times in a row, since we were using recklessness. Nytherios also seemed to have higher hp than he used to.

Part 3 is definitely where your group shows how tough it is. Horoth is a true monster now, as he was pummeling our barbarian tank so hard he looked like a 190hp rogue fighting harry in shroud. We had two healers (including myself) constantly throwing heals, heal scrolls, and we still could not keep him up. I believe shade was sitting around 850hp which is a bit higher than the average barbarian I am used to healing in tod (most I have healed in the past sit around 780 with yugo pots) I believe Shade said he was hitting for nearly 120-140 damage per swing, not including badges or other sources of damage. Our biggest mistakes was not keep consistent measures of damage migitation up, we should have kept a cloudkill going and a displace on Shade but the party was scrambling to try and kill suulo and recover after shade's first death. It only took two shots to knock my 550hp cleric down to 0 from horoth, how insane. All around a solid effort from a team of stud gamers, but we probably should have taken the instance a little more serious to complete. Good fun, it was great seeing the changes and to meet some awesome players from other servers.

The raid actually feels elite now, nice.

extremely well said, and correct on every point.

at one point during the aggro issues i pulled horoth on my monk, which i admit i kind of enjoyed for about half a second. but then he hit me. i think he hit me as a regular hit for 200~ damage. i lasted 5-7 swings, mostly because of the great healing from protokon and our other divine. and i made sure i had 100% fort. a regular hit for that much, thats strong.horoth now deserves to be the end boss, he's closer to godhood than the abbot ever was/is.


glad to run with you as well protokon, hope to see you again on lama at some point

[protokon]

at one point during the aggro issues i pulled horoth on my monk, which i admit i kind of enjoyed for about half a second. but then he hit me.

I am very tempted to put this in my sig That kind of sums up the entire run, LOL.

[DragonTroy]

I am very tempted to put this in my sig That kind of sums up the entire run, LOL.

im going to find where my sig is, and then do it.

[Hollowgolem]

850 on elite seems rather low.

Elite ToD should take more than that. Or less but a good amount of mitigation/amp from a sword-and-board fighter (-20 or more from each of his melee hits).

How do his badges scale on elite?

[grodon9999]

An 850 HP barb with great healing amp and two healers on him . . . ouch.

[altrocks]

850 on elite seems rather low.

Elite ToD should take more than that. Or less but a good amount of mitigation/amp from a sword-and-board fighter (-20 or more from each of his melee hits).

How do his badges scale on elite?

Going by the chatter during the raid, the badges seemed to be unchanged and Horroth's magic has not been enhanced noticeably. His physical damage, however, was massively improved. I think they gave him Power attack instead of Maximize. My ranger usually doesn't take any hits from him, but as we wiped, he came after me. Took me from full HP (about 450) in 2 hits with 100% fort.

His HP didn't seem to be changed at all, and I think the Shadowmaster has more HP than Horroth now. In fact, in Phase 2, I almost stepped out when his concentration got broken and the DM text came up because I thought he was dead for half a second. then I realized he was just at the "distracted" point. I only thought that because of how long we were beating on him before we got to that point. I'm used to be done with that fight in that amount of time.

The spike traps and chain lightning in phase 1 are definitely tougher now. First run I got killed on spikes. Failed by reflex save (rolled 7, +40, failed) and took about 380 from them. I think that first run close to half the group was wiped out just form being throw into the spikes. It was harsh. I'm not used to failing a reflex save on my ranger when I roll anything but a 1. Same goes for Chain lightning. I was failing reflex saves there and seeing about 200-250 damage usually. So the DC on the chain lightning may have been upped as well as the damage.

It was an excellent attempt though and I had a lot of fun with everyone. Look forward to seeing everyone in there when the new raids are opened for testing.

P.S. - They need to up the difficulty of the new Cannith quests. After everyone else left, we went into Schemes without a caster or healer and had no real issues with it until very close to the end (after the security door was open). If the raids are that easy, it's going to be disappointing, especially after seeing how much they've improved the difficulty of ToD.

P.P.S. - Reaver is still a joke, though it's gonna be a lot more fun trying to run it at-level.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

A very interesting read all around, thanks for the testing guys.

I just hope that they thought of upping the rewards for the amount of effort this now involves.

[altrocks]

A very interesting read all around, thanks for the testing guys.

I just hope that they thought of upping the rewards for the amount of effort this now involves.

I think the idea was to bring the difficulty up to the level of the rewards in the case of ToD. I wouldn't mind seeing the Reaver chest be less stingy with these changes, though.

[Correlan]

Just some curious questions. You wiped on 2 out of the 3 ToD attempts? With vetting peoples gear? Full group of lvl 20's? All with optimal gear for their builds? and this was on elite?