No DOTS on Harry

[HarveyMilk]

Shroud PUG, 2 wizzies and 2 FvS.

There was one niacs cast on Harry the entirety of part 4, and none on part 5.

When I asked why, the FvS says "Dude, I'm too busy healing," and later said he doesn't load DP at all because he's a "healer."

Wizzies never spoke up, but someone else said "Enchantment-focused wizards just may not be focusing on damage, it's no big deal."

So I just said "At the very least, Niacs, Eladers and DP need to be fully stacked on Harry, and most bosses. It makes this faster."

The response... "w/e"

Has anyone else seen this in a Shroud pug here on Sarlona? I was surprised.

[sirgog]

I know one person that had their Wizard so min-maxxed for Chrono scrollfarming that they didn't take Maximize or Empower. (They planned to featswap into them once they had five of each Abashai set scroll, plus enough to trade for a set of FRDS for their Barbarian).

[Bodic]

I will say on an FvS MCLW is so important to have yup yup

but its shroud so no big deal

[Galeria]

How can you tell what was cast/not cast?

[mudfud]

How can you tell what was cast/not cast?

Examine boss, dots are in focus orb

[Monkey_Archer]

Interesting fact: wizards with DOTs can do more dps now then sorcs did in the pre-DOT era... (which is at least equal or greater then some of the top melees)

Sure the wizard could be the highest dps there.. but "w/e"

[Galeria]

Aaah, cool.

No, I haven't noticed it because I'm usually the arcane stacking DoTs.

[HarveyMilk]

I know one person that had their Wizard so min-maxxed for Chrono scrollfarming that they didn't take Maximize or Empower. (They planned to featswap into them once they had five of each Abashai set scroll, plus enough to trade for a set of FRDS for their Barbarian).

This is... wow. I remember a guildie pre-U9 who was had a min-max wizard build that took greater ench focus instead of heighten. Because +1 more DC to mass hold monster was more important to him than the DC bonuses of every other arcane spell in his arsenal. /shudder

[mudfud]

Aaah, cool.

No, I haven't noticed it because I'm usually the arcane stacking DoTs.

Sometimes I examine it on named boss so I can stack them at the last possible second.

[mournbladereigns]

Next time get Sorcs!

[Shade]

If you need your 1/2/3 healers to be doing more then just healing.. Maybe there not the issue, but perhaps the other 9-11 members not doing enough dps?

I guess it thre was like 4+ fvs, sure maybe some should dps.. But just a few? eh there role is important enough to not need distraction forced upon them.

For a lot of players, the concentration required to juts maintain accurately timed heals, is difficult enough.> asking them to also be able to target arraetrikos, maintain dots, appropriate clickies, and heal at the same time is simply beyond the capability of many players and for a pug you really shouldnt fault them for that.

Wizard? yea sure they should have been.

[TheDearLeader]

I think we can all agree. Moar dots, moar dots, moar dots.

Some don't understand the power behind the spells yet. I normally attribute this quality toward newer players, or ones who were never satisfied with their Arcanes in the first place.

I mean, what would they prefer to do with their SP? Greater Dispel Magic him to 0 HP? Doesn't work that way.

[Asmodeus451]

If you need your 1/2/3 healers to be doing more then just healing.. Maybe there not the issue, but perhaps the other 9-11 members not doing enough dps?

I guess it thre was like 4+ fvs, sure maybe some should dps.. But just a few? eh there role is important enough to not need distraction forced upon them.

For a lot of players, the concentration required to juts maintain accurately timed heals, is difficult enough.> asking them to also be able to target arraetrikos, maintain dots, appropriate clickies, and heal at the same time is simply beyond the capability of many players and for a pug you really shouldnt fault them for that.

Wizard? yea sure they should have been.

i cant believe i'm saying this....................but i agree with Shade on this one.

some ppl have the skills to melee, DOT, and Heal all at the same time, some dont

[HarveyMilk]

If you need your 1/2/3 healers to be doing more then just healing.. Maybe there not the issue, but perhaps the other 9-11 members not doing enough dps?

I guess it thre was like 4+ fvs, sure maybe some should dps.. But just a few? eh there role is important enough to not need distraction forced upon them.

For a lot of players, the concentration required to juts maintain accurately timed heals, is difficult enough.> asking them to also be able to target arraetrikos, maintain dots, appropriate clickies, and heal at the same time is simply beyond the capability of many players and for a pug you really shouldnt fault them for that.

Wizard? yea sure they should have been.

Personally, as someone who plays an evoker fvs at end-game, it is VERY easy to keep a single dot on Harry while juggling healing responsibilities with another person. In fact, it's not even that hard to do it while healing solo. Just press Tab then DP right after you finish casting a mass heal. If in those 2ish seconds the group needs an immediate heal, press the appropriate Fkey followed by a mass cure.

I think you are greatly exaggerating the difficulty here, and frankly, I don't like how it might encourage some people to complete shrouds slower. Especially coming from the king of thf twitch, I'd think you'd be wanting to encourage more elaborate gameplay?

Heck, I've even stood and melee'd while healing/DPing. And trust me, I am not 'leet'

[wootvenu]

It depends.

In sarlona shroud pugs are awesome. 30mins shrouds are very common.

When I am on my fvs....
If we got 3 healers i will definitely stack dp.
If the melee is too good and gives me time to relax btwn heals i will dp.

But,

I dont want to be distracted at all with dp and all when the healing is intense and forget about dots in touch and go situation.

p.s.Mr sorc dude please donot ask for a heal, i am in between of this one intense healing session, drink a potion or use a wand/scroll.

[Bunker]

Unless you are using a GamePad, I would assume most gamers are using the 2 handed Keyboard/Mouse setup. That means you should be at least proficient in multitasking!

Even if you are a solo "healer" I think dots should still be on the list of spells to cast. And if you don't, you should try adding it in.

There is understanding if you cannot handle doing more than oen thing at a time. Especially if the end result is still success. However.......There is no reason you shouldnt' want to improve your gaming skills. Think on that everyone, and become the UBER that is within you.

Happy Gaming

-Bunk

[Shade]

Personally..... it is VERY easy 'leet'

I think thats something most people really have a hard time getting a grasp on in this game, and really all games.

What may seem trivial to you and me, can be very difficult if not impossible for others. Not everyone is as proficient of a player, so expectations shouldn't be higher then the bare minimum required to win in a pug group.

It's something I get and a reason why my pug raids are always so successful.

Set the bar low. Minimize the risks, and youll always win.

If you see someone going above and beyond what you asked?
Put that player on your friends list and enjoy it.
Dont put down the others who couldnt get to that level of play, when that level of play isn't required to suceed - no matter how trivial you may believe it to be. If its possible to mess up, someone will find a way to do it.

[Aashrym]

If the wizards were not applying dot's what were they doing? Even trying to max out enchantments, or necro, or both still leaves room for a dot so that there is something to use on a boss.

Not loading divine punishment on a FvS is a poor idea. With 2 FvS's it shouldn't be that hard to handle healing and if DPS was an issue divine punishment was a solution.

I think those players could have accepted advice but if the don't want to take it then a person can't do much after that.

Edit: Perhaps I do have my expectation set a bit high sometimes; what seems like common sense to me might not be the same for others. Shade might be right about setting the bar low. A completion is still a completion.

[Bunker]

If you see someone going above and beyond what you asked?
Put that player on your friends list and enjoy it.
Dont put down the others who couldnt get to that level of play, when that level of play isn't required to suceed - no matter how trivial you may believe it to be. If its possible to mess up, someone will find a way to do it.

Words to read.

[Cyreonx]

On my wf fvs during normal shroud I always am right in there with harry hitting DP as soon as its off timer. If there are two other healers I usually don't need to deal with heals except in case of emergency, but I've handled my healing duties at the same time as DOTing him and meleeing no problem.

With healers who aren't built for melee I could see it being a little bit more difficult with switching target, but shouldn't be too bad. Then again I like pressing buttons constantly (built me several pure and multi'd monks).