I need a wiz/monk build

[Kookamonga]

Hello I really want to try out a 32pt wiz/monk build focusing on being in lich or wraith form and using death aura to heal myself. I want to melee in handwraps as well and be more melee oriented. If anyone can find me one I would be much obliged!

[Kookamonga]

I'm not very good at character builds or i wouldn't be asking for one and I'd like to add a few more things that I'd ideally like to have but doesn't matter if you can come up with a good build.


I'm not sure how much levels of monk I will need but I know for a fact 12 wizard for pale master 2 and lich/wraith form. I'd like to go dark monk for touch of death. On that note I was wondering since touch of death is negative energy will the Pale master enhancement effects work with it; such as the crit multiplier, % dmg increase etc..?. I'm dieing to find a cool build for this, any help toward making it would be much appreciated.

[Angellica]

Sadly, you can't do 12 Wiz and get Touch of Death. Touch of Death requires 9 levels of monk So you would have to lose out on PM 2 or ToD.

[countesscrow]

Hello,

I have something similiar to this going on right now. 12 Wizard 8 monk. Do NOT get death touch. However you do get liche form which casts harm on every unarmed attack. So basically can hit myself with fuzzy, super fuzzy, haste gh all resists stoneskin and fight in the middle of a firewall with Death Aura running! Once you get to 6, go monk to ninja spy and now you got 25 percent incorp, extra 1d6 and ki regen when sneaking. Focused on hide, sneak, concentration, jump, balance as my skills. Allows me to sneak all the way to final fight, throw down a firewall and kill everything. Makes for quick dungeon runs.

Stats I have focused on are intel, str, con, and some dex doing this as a warforged.

Character is a blast to play but unfortunately comes into power around level 13 and up.

[Kookamonga]

How many levels in monk is good for some decent fisting? What should my stats be like and what feats are good?

[Teharahma]

How many levels in monk is good for some decent fisting? What should my stats be like and what feats are good?

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
(8 Monk \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 314
Spell Points: 679 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 14
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         14                    18
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    27
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         7                    30
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                 -2                    -1
Hide                  7                    24
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  3                     8
Listen               -2                    -1
Move Silently         7                    24
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                2                     4
Spot                  2                    15
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                7                    10
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II

Drew something up real quick, prolly has some mistakes, but it looks good to me, as far as good can go that is.

[Phidius]

... On that note I was wondering since touch of death is negative energy will the Pale master enhancement effects work with it; such as the crit multiplier, % dmg increase etc..?. ...

I had a WF 11 Wiz/9 Monk, so to answer your question: no. Touch of Death is not a spell, so effects that boost your negative energy spells have no affect.

While the Improved Evasion was nice, and the 250 - 1500 (theoretical) ToD every 9 seconds was fun, I don't recommend the build.

The most frustrating part was the way mobs seem to know just when you are about to trigger ToD or Stunning Blow, and move away at just the right time. On the plus side, the times you really need the DPS, the boss will stand there and take it.

[Reos]

I've been searching for the same thing for time now. A lot of people's reports are discouraging, since melee and mage don't synergize well. That being said, I have seen some accounts of people who enjoy this build/playstyle even if they don't use it for raiding.

As far as I can figure, your best bet is to go WF and do either 12Wiz/8Monk or 12Wiz/6Monk/2Ftr

The two levels of fighter will net you extra feats, extra BAB and a few extra HP at the expense of d10 unarmed damage (lev 6 monk gets 1d8, unless he's TR). You'll also lose 1 DC on your Stunning Fist, and with just 6 monk levels and high Int you might be better off getting Stunning Blow + Combat Expertise + Improved Trip instead.

I had almost given up on this build, but I think I'll take one last shot at it.

[Kookamonga]

any1 have anything to add to Tehar's build b4 i try it out?

[Kookamonga]

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Jereziah Hollow
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Orc Male
(8 Monk \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 298
Spell Points: 709 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 13
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 23                   25
Dexterity            15                 17                   17
Constitution         15                 17                   17
Intelligence         14                 16                   18
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              6                  6                    6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               5                 25.5                 25.5
Bluff                -2                 -2                   -2
Concentration         7                 26                   30
Diplomacy            -2                 -2                   -2
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                 -2                   -2
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  5                 26                   27
Intimidate           -2                 -2                   -2
Jump                  3                  7                    7
Listen               -1                 -1                   -1
Move Silently         5                 25.5                 25.5
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  4                    4
Search                2                  4                    4
Spot                 -1                 -1                   -1
Swim                  3                  7                    7
Tumble                n/a                5                    5
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Orc Orc Blood
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Throwing Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1.5)
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1.5)
Enhancement: Orcish Fury II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II


Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Orcish Fury III


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Move Silently (+7)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+5)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Adept of Flame


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Improved Hide I

I think i like this build better but I am 100% sure there is a lot of mistakes/flaws that someone more better at character building can point out to me please!

[Orratti]

I thought of doing a wizard or sorc monk mix focusing on mixing touch spells with monk abilities but the person I know who built one didn't play it for long. I'd be interested in knowing if you can get it to work.

[Reos]

I think i like this build better but I am 100% sure there is a lot of mistakes/flaws that someone more better at character building can point out to me please!

FYI Orchish Fury III is nearly useless, you have to be at 10-15% HP for it to ever kick in, and does not stack with Rage spell.

[Kookamonga]

So should i even take Orcish fury at all if i can just cast rage in it's stead?

[Kookamonga]

What stance is more beneficial for this build?

[Reos]

It's circumstantial, but I'd recommend wind stance for added attack speed and double procs. Fire isnt that great because you wont rally anything to spend your Ki on. Earth is ok for tanking, but you can't tank things to death, so it's only useful when being healed. Water stance is good for diving thru traps and such, but will hardly make a dent on your already-low monk ability DCs.

[gurgar78]

Just hit level 20 last night on my Wiz 12/Mon 8. I'm not at home, so I don't have him in front of me, but off the top of my head:

Empower
Maximize
Extend
SF: Necro
GSF: Necro
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Toughness
Stunning Blow

2nd level of all monk strikes, plus fist of iron
+40% Fire/Ice, 2nd levels of both crit chance and crit damage increase
400'ish hps in lichform at 20
850'ish mana

Built him like a str/con monk. You don't need a high int at all. If you're going to have decent melee stats, you're going to have a terrible DC anyway, so dump int (+2 enhancements, +2 tome, +6 item = 16 int, even on a half-orc) and focus on your melee stats.

Low BAB so DP clickies are your friend. With any luck, they'll make Tenser's Transformation worthwhile once they do the spells pass.

It's a decent toon. I didn't expect much when making him, but he turned out alright. I'm excited for the Update 8 dilettante changes. I went rogue, so an additional 2d6 sneak attack damage will be nice.

The only thing that really disappointed me is that the inflict wounds bonus to unarmed attacks through lichform has a DC 11 will-save for half damage, so rather than adding 2-9 damage per swing, it only adds 1-4.

Still, that's an extra 4 strengths worth of damage, on average, against anything not immune to negative energy damage.

Plus PM self-healing and undead form immunities are ++

Edit: Also, I'm in Fire Stance 90% of the time. Between Fire/Lightning/Earth strikes, Fist of Iron and Fist of Darkness, plus finishers, I never have trouble using the ki.

[Doxmaster]

How many levels in monk is good for some decent fisting?

Never say these words again.

[Lorz]

Never say these words again.

And remember kids....Fist can be a verb

[Kookamonga]

when you get home can you edit your list of feats for me :>? Also I would like to ask what race you chose for your PM, i'm still debating between half orc or WF. I have a docent of defiance but dunno if that would be any good on a PM. If anyone could tell me some nice gear i should be setting my eyes on i'd be a happy wizard fisting monsters :>.

[jennick52]

And remember kids....Fist can be a verb

OMG, new sig line. Thank you!