My first griefing experience

[samthedagger]

Remember when you were in kindergarten and you were on the playground during recess and you decided it would be really fun to get on that big metal merry-go-round? So you go and get on but you just can't push it very fast yourself so it isn't much fun. That's when a 1st-grader shows up and offers to push it for you. You excitedly say yes. And the 1st-grader starts pushing it round and round using some new pushing technique you'd never quite thought of before. You go faster and faster and its so much fun. But then you start to feel a little queasy and tell the 1st-grader that you want to get off. The 1st-grader smiles and says "ok!" but proceeds to push the merry-go-round even faster than before. What seems like an eternity goes on as the merry-go-round keeps spinning and spinning and you can't figure out why this 1st-grader is making you stay on when you clearly want to leave. This continues until finally you can't stand it any longer. You lose your lunch, quite literally, all over the little stones that cover the playground. And that really sucks because they had pizza and french fries today and now, due to this traumatic incident you will never look at pizza and french fries quite the same way.

The moral of the story is that the three players you describe, OP, were 1st-graders. This is also what is known as being a d*ck. I hope they receive everything that is coming to them, namely an evil boss who makes them work unpaid overtime, a 400 lb. spouse, and the herpes.

[Fishcatch22]

This is why I almost ever pug. You could tell me to not let one bad apple ruin it, but it;s been more than a few with me. Soloings more fun anyway.

[Thargnar]

"Originally Posted by d4rkstars
lol what a terrible story... cant help laughing at it, but i m sure being part of it must have been more stressing

anyway, you are a vet obvisouly, so you should survive missing one chest in a lvl 2 quest, you got the xp, the reward and can probably afford the repair bill.

report them for their attitude, make sure their guild is known for being absolute ass and moove on."

I don't understand how you can find this story the least bit amusing.

*Raises Hand* I do!

Then you attempt to trivialize the incident with your subsequent comments.

There was no attempt to trivialize the 'incident', getting punked in a 2 minute level 2 harbor quest ranks somewhere between a mustard burp and a mild toe stub on the Trivianometer, leaning more toward the mustard burp.
Mild Video Game Punkage<-------------Scale of Triviality----------->Being Raped By Rabid Clowns
<--*You Are Here*

I find it completely incomprehensible how you can take such a dismissive and apologist stance over such blatantly obvious bullying behaviour.

dis·mis·sive - indicating lack of interest or approbation; scornful; disdainful
He wasn't being very dismissive, I on the other hand....

a·pol·o·gist - a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
Hmm, I see where you are getting that from, since he was defending them when he said, "they were totally not buttholes, and I think they were in the right, those guys are pretty cool and did nothing wrong"... waaaiit, hmm, he appears to have been chastising their behavior rather than defending it... I do not think this means what you think it means.

"Originally Posted by Nines9
That sucks, but it does happen.

Please PM me names if you don't mind."

There are no buts, it just sucks that people would put time and energy into being this nasty to another person.

If I saw someone push you over on the street and laugh at you, after helping you up I wouldn't say to you 'hey that sucks, but it happens', I'd be calling the police to report that I'd just witnessed an assault.

O.o
You are equating the trivial discomfort of some mild video game hazing to a physical assault?! Have you seen the outside? No, really, you should get out there. I hear they have trees and people you can talk to without a ptt button and stuff. It's pretty rad.

[Faerbaste]

Its a shame that the OP didn't post this story on another, probably hypothetical, unmoderated forum where he could have just named names without worrying about infraction points. If such a forum did exist then this would be the sort of thing they'd store in their vault.

[nomaddog]

The offenders have been reported. There are a couple of reasons why I decided to post something on the forum about this. First off, yes, it is a rather childish prank to play and seems insignificant, but it's the breach of etiquette that really ticked me off. I come to DDO to have fun and relax. I'm very happy with the people I run with most often, but recently it just seems like people have gotten downright nasty about stuff. Over the last couple of days, I've been really put off about playing because of some of the things I've seen and heard.

Yes, I'm over it, but I just wanted to let people know about it so they can be on the lookout in the future.

[jjmancoue]

Please PM names and guild(s).

[nerdychaz]

If this was a calamitonian (The Guild of Calamitous Intent), my guild, I want their names yesterday.

In fact, if anyone has a problem with The Guild of Calamitous Intent on Cannith, send me names and tell me what happened. We are pretty strict about behavior like this.

[donfilibuster]

Stopped reading at "saw an LFM up for Harbor quests". Whatever the rant was is always about some PUGging jerk of which there's plenty, so it's safe to just drop group at the first sign.
(then squelch then report if they push it)

[Aalric]

i actually agree with the original poster

Yes, it was a harbour quest. Yes he could have done it with a henchie while blindfolded. Yes it only takes 5 minutes.

That's not the point.

Nothing gives someone the right to act like that to another player - nothing. It's one thing a bit of friendly banter & teasing in party chat - we all do it (you should see what my guild tends to say about haflings). It's quite another to deliberatly grief a player like this. Remember - these players may one day become lvl 20's & it would be no fun for anyone if they did this in shroud or tod. & Yes, hopefully they will move on to another mmo before then, but we all know that sometimes they dont.

Please pm names and guild

And finally, don't get discouraged - i run with a lot of pugs and almost everyone is a decent person (of course if they are competent is another matter, )

[Astraghal]

I don't understand how you can find this story the least bit amusing.

*Raises Hand* I do!

You probably find it funny when people have accidents and hurt themselve's too.

Then you attempt to trivialize the incident with your subsequent comments.

There was no attempt to trivialize the 'incident'..

From the Oxford Dictionary:

trivialize verb (British English also -ise)
ˈtrɪviəlaɪz ˈtrɪviəlaɪz
trivialize something (usually disapproving)
to make something seem less important, serious, difficult, etc. than it really is

http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdic...ary/trivialize

You're attempting to trivialize the incident right there by referring to my description of it in inverted commas.

Are you trying to call into question the validity of the use of that word to describe what occurred?

..getting punked in a 2 minute level 2 harbor quest ranks somewhere between a mustard burp and a mild toe stub on the Trivianometer, leaning more toward the mustard burp.
Mild Video Game Punkage<-------------Scale of Triviality----------->Being Raped By Rabid Clowns
<--*You Are Here*

You've just attempted to trivialize the incident again.

There's nothing trivial about a group of people setting out to consciously sabotage someone elses gaming experience.

Being nasty to other people in order to cause them distress is not trivial.

It's called bullying and it's against the rules and the law in almost every civilized human community.

I find it completely incomprehensible how you can take such a dismissive and apologist stance over such blatantly obvious bullying behaviour.

dis·mis·sive - indicating lack of interest or approbation; scornful; disdainful
He wasn't being very dismissive..

From the Oxford Dictionary:

dismissive(dis|mis¦sive)
Pronunciation:/dɪsˈmɪsɪv/adjective
feeling or showing that something is unworthy of consideration:

http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdic...ary/dismissive

..cant help laughing at it

..so you should survive missing one chest in a lvl 2 quest

..can probably afford the repair bill.

These are all dismissive comments.

I on the other hand....

At least you admit it.

a·pol·o·gist - a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.
Hmm, I see where you are getting that from, since he was defending them when he said, "they were totally not buttholes, and I think they were in the right, those guys are pretty cool and did nothing wrong"... waaaiit, hmm, he appears to have been chastising their behavior rather than defending it... I do not think this means what you think it means.

From the Oxford Dictionary:

apologist noun
əˈpɒlədʒɪst əˈpɑːlədʒɪst
apologist (for somebody/something)
a person who tries to explain and defend something, especially a political system or religious ideas

http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdic...nary/apologist

lol what a terrible story... cant help laughing at it, but i m sure being part of it must have been more stressing

anyway, you are a vet obvisouly, so you should survive missing one chest in a lvl 2 quest, you got the xp, the reward and can probably afford the repair bill.

report them for their attitude, make sure their guild is known for being absolute ass and moove on

The fact that he was trying to laugh it off and downplay the seriousness of it, makes him seem like an apologist for the kind of behavior the OP was complaining about.

There are no buts, it just sucks that people would put time and energy into being this nasty to another person.

If I saw someone push you over on the street and laugh at you, after helping you up I wouldn't say to you 'hey that sucks, but it happens', I'd be calling the police to report that I'd just witnessed an assault.

O.o
You are equating the trivial discomfort of some mild video game hazing to a physical assault?! Have you seen the outside? No, really, you should get out there. I hear they have trees and people you can talk to without a ptt button and stuff. It's pretty rad.

Hazing is just another word for bullying or assault.

I think you've made you stance on the subject quite clear.

[Thargnar]

You probably find it funny when people have accidents and hurt themselve's too.

Yup. There is however a difference between slapstick comedy and a burning bus full of nuns, at least to most people.

You've just attempted to trivialize the incident again.

You missed my point, nobody was *trying* to trivialize someone getting pranked in a video game, it doesn't need to be trivialized as it is already trivial. To trivialize something that already is so would require some highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

Hazing is just another word for bullying or assault.

Sure, if you look at it in a binary on/off black/white sort of way and ignore the matter of degree completely.

I think you've made you stance on the subject quite clear.

Yep.

That's the last I'll chime in on this, judging from what you've written the possibility of you and I seeing eye to eye on anything is slim to none, and the chance of either swaying the other's opinion is even less.

[MerlinSylver]

highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

The Quantum Triviality Field theory: All possible trivialities exist simultaneously until the core situation is observed, at which point, the QTF collapses, leaving behind only a single triviality to vex the observer.

Of course, there is also the Triviality Relativity Theory as well. A situation is only as trivial as it's relative position to you.

[Pape_27]

If this was a calamitonian (The Guild of Calamitous Intent), my guild, I want their names yesterday.

In fact, if anyone has a problem with The Guild of Calamitous Intent on Cannith, send me names and tell me what happened. We are pretty strict about behavior like this.

Based on the names sent (only 1 of the 3 was available on myddo, and based on what the op said in his pm) they are not in your guild. The one name available on myddo was unguilded. But take that for what its worth - not much - myddo is broken and it doesnt look like a fix is coming soon

[Irinis]

You missed my point, nobody was *trying* to trivialize someone getting pranked in a video game, it doesn't need to be trivialized as it is already trivial. To trivialize something that already is so would require some highly theoretical Quantam Triviality which I don't feel qualified to expound upon.

The problem with "trivial" hazing in a computer game, is that often it's a screen for real bullying from people who don't know when to stop, do it to everyone, and escalate the bullying behaviour at any sign of a reaction. That's why people need to report, warn, and then move on, instead of just going "oh hey it's just a game, w/e."

People like that are proud to be bullies because they get to laugh about it with their friends. I don't know about you but I'd much rather play with people who just joke around but don't let the jokes get out of hand like that.

PS: When I was a 4th-grader, a bunch of big 6th-grader boys tried that merry-go-round trick on me. After several minutes at dizzying speed they finally stopped. I stood up and walked a straight line - out of the playground. It wasn't at school or I would have told on them despite "winning" their stupid game. I never played with them again despite being invited a few times. They respected me for winning, but I didn't respect them after what they tried to do.

[Lilliana]

It's good to hear they have been reported. In my view bullying is never ok, no matter how small the incident may seem to others.

Nomaddog, any chance you could PM me with their names? Thanks.

[Astraghal]

That's the last I'll chime in on this, judging from what you've written the possibility of you and I seeing eye to eye on anything is slim to none, and the chance of either swaying the other's opinion is even less.

You came along and attempted to ridicule what I posted with some inane comments then proceeded to get your @$$ handed to you on a plate.

I'd be hesitant to continue responding too if I were you.

[ChronicJay]

weeee

[TitoJ]

Cupcakes anyone? Seems like there's enough in this thread to go around.


I once dropped some noobs stone in Tear of Dhakaan, in the water right after the first shrine. It went all the way to the bottom. Now, it was good fun, and I would have gladly retrieved it, but the noob got po'd very quickly and bailed party. Seems like same sorta incident. Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed, I mean sounds a little rash in here.

[Katharra]

Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed

Here is the answer i think (quote from op) :

"I kept an eye on their LFM and noticed that another melee character had joined them and that they were doing Kobold's New Ringleader also. What was interesting was that all of them were out of the quest and he was the only one in. I sent him a tell asking if what had happened to me had also happened to him and he answered in the affirmative."

So it seems to me they would just rc after they finished dancing and leave his stone...

[markusthelion]

Cupcakes anyone? Seems like there's enough in this thread to go around.


I once dropped some noobs stone in Tear of Dhakaan, in the water right after the first shrine. It went all the way to the bottom. Now, it was good fun, and I would have gladly retrieved it, but the noob got po'd very quickly and bailed party. Seems like same sorta incident. Who knows what would have happened had OP stayed, I mean sounds a little rash in here.

Not in a pug, if you take the time to be an ***hole you probably are. Pranks on a guildie is fine as they know your probably just messing around. Pugs don't normally know each other that well, so in this case it looks bad on the pug and the character of that pugs guild. I'm not saying your an ***hole, but some people are and try to justify it after the fact.