Screwed by MGL!

[SINIBYTE]

Been looking for an upgrade to my docent for 4 levels now - finally had something decent drop in "Running with the Devils". I sent a tell to the guy that looted it if I could buy - he said sure, opened trade - I dropped some coin in there, and it was in my bag. MGL: 45. ******.

What an absolute stupid mechanic to put in a game.

[jdawg70]

What server are you on? i might have a few docents from an old toon. lemme know what lvl and what are you looking for.

[SINIBYTE]

What server are you on? i might have a few docents from an old toon. lemme know what lvl and what are you looking for.

S'all good, thanks for the offer, I'm sure something will come up soon.

[phillymiket]

Been looking for an upgrade to my docent for 4 levels now - finally had something decent drop in "Running with the Devils". I sent a tell to the guy that looted it if I could buy - he said sure, opened trade - I dropped some coin in there, and it was in my bag. MGL: 45. ******.

What an absolute stupid mechanic to put in a game.

Yea. I'm working with the "new way" and joined guild and all but...

The more I think about the "Guild Loot" thread and the arguments made against the "I don't want to be guilded" stance yesterday the more hypocritical it seems to me.

I wonder how all the people who said "lighten up Francis" to the upset people would feel if they logged on to find out their account was bugged and they couldn't use any of the loot either? What if they had to sit on the sidelines and watch others play with new toys while they watched?

Would they say "oh well, the stuffs not very good anyway" like it was offered to soloist.
Would they say "well I can just sell it for plat. Who cares?" (plat I don't need so much)
Would they say "5% off my loot being useless isn't even worth worrying about" like soloist were told.
Would they say "I didn't have this stuff yesterday so it's not like I lost anything"

I doubt it. I think people wouldn't like that. I think their would be forum rage threads left and right.
If you honestly can say you wouldn't care if you had the same deal. Fine.
If not make a new argument.
Like "Dude, your playing the game wrong. Join a guild."

The guild update seems fine but this guild level loot stuff doesn't seem so hot to me.
It excludes. It waters down loot. It is another opportunity for player error like the Ops.
I'm not a fan.

[Aristalla]

From my understanding, (correct me if I am wrong please) it is loot that would not normally have been there. So, pre-U5, you probably wouldn't have gotten a docent from that chest at all; and certainly not the same one.

[phillymiket]

From my understanding, (correct me if I am wrong please) it is loot that would not normally have been there. So, pre-U5, you probably wouldn't have gotten a docent from that chest at all; and certainly not the same one.

I've heard both it seems. I read all the info from Turbine I could find but haven't found detailed instruction for how this works.
Can someone link if it is in addition to other loot.
Then I'll shut my big yap because I wouldn't care so much.

I heard one person say it was in addition and then came back later and said they couldn't find documentation either way.

It doesn't seem like there are extra stuff in the chests.
It doesn't seem like their are extra end rewards.

In fact I pulled a chest that had a "heroic deed" and some gold.
I would have just gotten gold on that role with update 4?

Edit - If some found the answer please post here or elsewhere.
I'm going back to play the game
Thanks.

[REALb0r3d]

The guild ML items have to be slotted every 6 hours. So if you DO like the loot be prepared to buff on the ship.

These items won't replace raid loot.

Personally for these 2 reasons I'll just be using it like normal equipment. You get a proof against poison ring of GFL MGL 45, bank it for a month while your guild levels and throw it to a lowbie, otherwise sell it somehow for now. The minimum level on the items is the same with or without the augment slot.

If you're not in a guild or in a small guild you have alot of loot you can't use and eventually the market will value it appropriately so just vender it and sign petitons to get this removed from the game.

[Xgemina]

From my understanding, (correct me if I am wrong please) it is loot that would not normally have been there. So, pre-U5, you probably wouldn't have gotten a docent from that chest at all; and certainly not the same one.

It was my understanding that it was the renown you find in chests would not replace the loot that would have normally been there. Having opened a chest and finding 2 minimum guild level items and some gold I would say that MGL items are certainly taking the place of other loot that may have been there.

[kitsune_ko]

My understanding from reading in the forums what little the Devs have to say on the issue is that only the Guild Rep tokens are extra, IE if you normally have a choice of 5 end rewards, you would now have a choice of 5 plus the token.

As for random chest loot, guild only equipment is part of your loot, not an extra item(s).


Kit

[phillymiket]

My understanding from reading in the forums what little the Devs have to say on the issue is that only the Guild Rep tokens are extra, IE if you normally have a choice of 5 end rewards, you would now have a choice of 5 plus the token.

As for random chest loot, guild only equipment is part of your loot, not an extra item(s).


Kit

Thanks for info

I with there was a detailed list of how this works. (or one I could find) because from my admittedly limited experience with the tokens they seem to replace regular loot too.

Hmmmm.
Whatever I'm still having fun. (running the new "a small problem" quest right now) XD

[Falco_Easts]

From my understanding, (correct me if I am wrong please) it is loot that would not normally have been there. So, pre-U5, you probably wouldn't have gotten a docent from that chest at all; and certainly not the same one.

MGL items are instead of other loot.
Guld Renown is a bonus on top of other loot.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

[Modinator0]

There is a very simple win-win solution that I can't believe they didn't use from the start...

Make the item usable by anyone, but the augments only available to guilds of sufficient level. No one ends up with loot replaced by something they can't use, and people in large guilds still get a bonus. Not that different from, say, stability armor.

[phillymiket]

There is a very simple win-win solution that I can't believe they didn't use from the start...

Make the item usable by anyone, but the augments only available to guilds of sufficient level. No one ends up with loot replaced by something they can't use, and people in large guilds still get a bonus. Not that different from, say, stability armor.

^I'm typing "this" to indicate that i agree with the statement quoted above this line of text^

[Bacab]

I had something AWESOME HAPPEN TO ME in regards to this.

I did my 20th VoD.

No Tharne's Goggles in the end rewards list...which I am ok with.

BUT there was a +50 Guild Renown item in there.

Did this guild renown POS item take the spot of a Tome...or even dare I say...my Tharne's Goggles?

[Fafnir]

I was confirmed by a Dev that renown tokens were an extra on the loot list and didn't cost a slot for the Tharne's Goggles or tomes in that situation.

Or at least if it is WAI.

[Bacab]

I was confirmed by a Dev that renown tokens were an extra on the loot list and didn't cost a slot for the Tharne's Goggles or tomes in that situation.

Or at least if it is WAI.

I 100% believe that the devs intended for it to be "extra".

I am not 100% sure it is actually WAI currently. Didn't they just have the AH blow up? I mean I can name a ton of bugs...and maybe my 20th list was not bugged...but it did give me pause. I have to admit, I was not too upset because there was a +3 INT tome in there for me to loot. BUT I will be keeping my eye out. My WF FVS is at 18 DQs. I would hate to miss out on my Torc because of this silly thing.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

There is a very simple win-win solution that I can't believe they didn't use from the start...

Make the item usable by anyone, but the augments only available to guilds of sufficient level. No one ends up with loot replaced by something they can't use, and people in large guilds still get a bonus. Not that different from, say, stability armor.

This does nothing to water down the already saturated loot tables though.

[Auran82]

Weren't we promised a heap of Dev diaries and articles on the DDO.com site about all the new features and changes? Guild level stuff, airships, trapmaking, whatever else I fogot.

Dunno what happened there, maybe approaching release they realised there was still a heap of broken stuff that they were trying to fix but someone up above told them to release it anyway. "We need an update released in June!"

[Quikster]

I had something AWESOME HAPPEN TO ME in regards to this.

I did my 20th VoD.

No Tharne's Goggles in the end rewards list...which I am ok with.

BUT there was a +50 Guild Renown item in there.

Did this guild renown POS item take the spot of a Tome...or even dare I say...my Tharne's Goggles?

Heh heh, not yours yet. Dont hold out hope on that torc either. Its harder to get then tharnes usually...

[Bacab]

Heh heh, not yours yet. Dont hold out hope on that torc either. Its harder to get then tharnes usually...

Yeah...never knew what it was like to be shut-out on my 20th...till my warchanter did not get a Torc on his 20th.

I am hoping that by pretending the Torc HAS to drop...it'll happen.

The funny thing is, on Bacab, I have every VoD item...except the Goggles lol. I even pulled those once and put em up for roll lol. I figured I was almst guaranteed to get the goggles since VoD has such a short list of stuff...

And can't really complain about getting a +3 tome.

But my fear really is...can this fluff/junk be taking Raid loot slots?