DDO And PnP 4th Edition

[ddobard1]

Some days ago i began to read the official books of PnP 4 edition. All the stuff (classes,races,feats,skills,etc) seems awesome. My opinion is that DDO should follow the updates of PnP as close as possible. I would like to hear some opinions about this transition in PnP and the consequences to DDO.

[Aspenor]

Disagree completely. It is my opinion that 4.0e is nothing more than a money-grab and has resulted in an abomination hardly recognizable as DnD.

This is, of course, only my opinion.

[Big-Dex]

Some days ago i began to read the official books of PnP 4 edition. All the stuff (classes,races,feats,skills,etc) seems awesome. My opinion is that DDO should follow the updates of PnP as close as possible. I would like to hear some opinions about this transition in PnP and the consequences to DDO.

Oh boy. You have opened a real can of worms here. You might wish you had been more careful.

Seriously, the DEVS have spoken on this and the players have too, but I am sure the discussion will resume. A quick search will reveal a ton of posts on it.

Happy hunting!

Dex was here.

[Demoyn]

This is, of course, only my opinion.

No, it's not. It's fact, and is shared by a VAST majority of intelligent life forms on the face of this planet.

EDIT: He also wanted to hear consequeneces. The consequences of updating this game to 4.0 will be that every single person with an IQ above 80 will leave this game faster than a fat man can eat a twinkie.

[Big-Dex]

And so it begins... ROFL.

Dex was here.

[Aspenor]

No, it's not. It's fact, and is shared by a VAST majority of intelligent life forms on the face of this planet.

Well, at least the money grab comment was fact. How else can you explain that WotC has published MULTIPLE player's handbooks? They didn't even offer the entire game in one book, they have intentionally forced players to buy multiple books to put themselves on an even footing with what is contained in only ONE book of 3.5.

Not to mention, they have been pulling 3.5 books off the shelves, and have effectively eliminated their support for the 3.5 system. It's their way of saying: buy our books, spend more money.

[Demoyn]

It's their way of saying: buy our books, spend more money.

Funny, I thought it was their way of saying, "Paizo deserves money more than us, so we're taking away any reason to support us."

[Baahb3]

EDIT: He also wanted to hear consequeneces. The consequences of updating this game to 4.0 will be that every single person with an IQ above 80 will leave this game faster than a fat man can eat a twinkie.

I am said fat man and can attest...that would be pretty quick

[Aerendil]

I want to be a striker!


/vomit.

In all seriousness, DDO is a weird hybrid beast of 3.0/3.5 ideas + some 4.0 things here and there (or so it seems) + some completely original (and sometimes far from PnP rules) ideas.

DDO went live back when 3.0/3.5 was being used, which is the key point here, so that was (and should continue to be IMO) the model for future expansions.
Changing the entire thing to 4.0 should wait for DDO2

[ddobard1]

Even if you have a negative opinion about PnP 4th edition, some new features in 4th edition look atractive to you. May be DDO should announce that it will implement good stuff beyond the 3.5 edition at the pace they coul afford.
Just an opinion, but i think DDO should release the anchor to the 3.5 edition!

[cdbd3rd]

No, it's not. It's fact, and is shared by a VAST majority of intelligent life forms on the face of this planet.

EDIT: He also wanted to hear consequeneces. The consequences of updating this game to 4.0 will be that every single person with an IQ above 80 will leave this game faster than a fat man can eat a twinkie.

Prolly so.
At the very least, I know 2 accounts that would decend rapidly to F2P accounts.

[Aspenor]

Funny, I thought it was their way of saying, "Paizo deserves money more than us, so we're taking away any reason to support us."

zing

[Uska]

UMMM NO 4E is the worst excuse for dnd bar none there ever was. In order to make it like 4E they would have to shut it down and start over basicly this is 3.5 dnd sort of and you cant really add much from 4E without totaly changing what ddo is.

[Uska]

No, it's not. It's fact, and is shared by a VAST majority of intelligent life forms on the face of this planet.

EDIT: He also wanted to hear consequeneces. The consequences of updating this game to 4.0 will be that every single person with an IQ above 80 will leave this game faster than a fat man can eat a twinkie.

people hell the equipment will likely selfdestruct in disgust at 4E

[Uska]

Funny, I thought it was their way of saying, "Paizo deserves money more than us, so we're taking away any reason to support us."

I thought was hackmaster is a better game and we had just better implode.

[Uska]

Even if you have a negative opinion about PnP 4th edition, some new features in 4th edition look atractive to you. May be DDO should announce that it will implement good stuff beyond the 3.5 edition at the pace they coul afford.
Just an opinion, but i think DDO should release the anchor to the 3.5 edition!

There is not one thing I find attractive in 4E and I tried to run it for a year and even set up and ran two world wide game days, DDO cant implement the good stuff from 4E that over balanced money grab that it is.

[ddobard1]

I dont talk about updating, but from now on, it is necessary to read carefully the 4th edition books and follow the good material coming from PnP in the future.

[Korvek]

Well, at least the money grab comment was fact. How else can you explain that WotC has published MULTIPLE player's handbooks? They didn't even offer the entire game in one book, they have intentionally forced players to buy multiple books to put themselves on an even footing with what is contained in only ONE book of 3.5.

Perhaps I've misinterpreted this, but there's definitely a PHB II for 3.5e, though admittedly the PHB II for 3.5 doesn't seem to include any new races.

[Uska]

I dont talk about updating, but from now on, it is necessary to read carefully the 4th edition books and follow the good material coming from PnP in the future.

Name one good thing from pnp that you think I will like from 4E remembering

1 I hate what they did to casters

2. I hate heal surges

3. I hate the clickie feel of class powers the whole daily/encounter/at will thing

4. I really hate what they did to clerics.

I doubt you will find one thing I will like or that many other old schoolers will like heck I dont even like 3.x that much. but at least it looks something like ad&d which 4E doesnt.

[Aspenor]

Perhaps I've misinterpreted this, but there's definitely a PHB II for 3.5e, though admittedly the PHB II for 3.5 doesn't seem to include any new races.

PHB 2 in 3.5 is a splat book.

PHB 2+ in 4.0 are absolutely required to have core classes like barbarians, druids, and bards.