14/2 clierc monk

[ChadMan]

this build is built around mod 9 a bit being able to go in and solo quests so here he is:


14/2 clierc monk dwarf

Str=13+1 tome+6 item=20
Dex=16+6item+2 tome=24
con=13+6item+1enh+2 tome=22
int=8+6=14
wis=16+6item+5 lvl+ 4 enh+ 1 tome= 32+2 stance=34
cha=9+1+6=16



Feats
1 clierc=max
2monk=twf
3monk=wep finise, quickin
4 clierc wis
5 clierc
6 clierc= wep fosus slash
7 clierc
8 clierc wis
9 clierc Mt
10 clierc
11 clierc
12 clierc emp-wis
13 clierc
14 clierc
15 clierc Imp MT
16 clierc wis
17 clierc
18 clierc extend
19 clierc
20 clierc wis


have not done hp-sp-ac brakedown yet but here is what i have so far

[Comfortably]

Why are you only starting with a 16wisdom? The hole point of going 14/2 is for a max wisdom(40) at lvl16


Do this instead:

8
14
18
8
18
6

[Runningaway]

Weapon Finesse on a dwarf ^^

If you are going twf i would also take itwf and gtwf otherwise it is worthless.

halfling would be alot better for this build or if you really want to go dwarf - go down the str route

[Demoyn]

Why waste points on charisma? My suggestion: return to drawing board.

[kinar]

want a 14/2 clonk solo build...?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=165043

Can solo almost anything ig that is soloable without rogue skills...

plus it functions perfectly fine as a primary healer as well in raids.

[Gol]

dwarf = str based, dump cha
halfling = dex based / finesse

If you're not taking Improved and Greater TWF, drop Finesse and TWF too.

[kinar]

dwarf = str based, dump cha
halfling = dex based / finesse

If you're not taking Improved and Greater TWF, drop Finesse and TWF too.

what do you suggest taking instead for your monk bonus feats?

for dex based 14/2 build....

Combat Expertise - most 14/2 builds don't have the int for this..plus casting ends it
Deflect Arrows - useless
Diehard - pretty useless
Discipline - useless
Dodge - +1 AC...useful, but unnecessary
Great Fortitude - pretty useless
Improved Sunder - useless
Improved Trip - useless on this build
Iron Will - unecessary
Lightning Reflexes - unnecessary as a halfling dex build
Mobility - could be useful but only if you take dodge
Power Attack - useless on this build
Precision - useless
Resilience - could be useful if casting didn't end it
Stunning Fist - useless on this build
Toughness - always usefull
Weapon Finesse - necessary for this build if you plan on hitting anything..ever

so for a dex build, we have the options of:

+5 AC while tumbling (dodge+mobility)
56hp (toughness+toughness+racial toughness)
38hp and dex bonus to hit (toughness + weapon finesse + racial toughness)

Sure, I could see dropping twf if you take cleric at lvl 1 for a metamagic instead. But if you take monk at 1. You've got 3 non-cleric feats that you have to take and 2 have to be from the list above. Toughness + weapon finesse + twf is the best way to go. With this combo, in the few instances where a spell simply won't work, melee is at least an option (and it will work, just slowly).

this changes slightly for str build...you have a few more options on your feats because they MIGHT become useful (stunning blow? not sure, never had a character with this feat...Lightning reflexes...probably just got decent since yer reflex is gonna suck on a str build)

[moops]

My build is a little different as I also have a Level of Fighter and am a UMD/ intimitank and Human--I absolutely love 2wf--Sure I may not be the highest in kills, but Im a good support killer/debuffer who can also be the main healer and with 39 Wis and avg Spell Pen, I can still zap/cc in most quests. Im dex based, My Self Buffed AC is 63, I have +4 insight Weapon, but still need icy and Chattering ring or like items that may come out in MOD 9.

Quicken
Heighten
Maximize
Finesse
TWf
Improved Twf
GTWF
Combat Expertise
Dodge
Empower Healing ( might drop this for extend, but at lvl 13 my Heal spell is weak w/o and I pretty much just mass heal--add to the fact that often times I do not have a Sup Pot 6 Item in hand so without Empower H Heal is only 208 for me)

At the start I had no intention of being the Intimitank in Hound, but I got talked into doing it once, and it was actually pretty good--since I didnt actually get bees until after the dogs were charmed and we usually heal our tanks through Bees anyway,a nd the clerics found me easy to heal as I did not take much damage. So now I am also Imtimitank in hound

[Gol]

Why are you replacing both Monk bonus feats by swapping out TWF and Finesse? You're only replacing Finesse.

And yes, finesse is required to hit anything. But why bother with TWF (which results in minimal bonus attacks) and skip Imp TWF and Greater TWF? If you skip them, you're obviously not serious about meleeing, so why bother with the first two?

Replace TWF with just about anything. Replace Finesse with a +Save bonus feat.

[kinar]

Why are you replacing both Monk bonus feats by swapping out TWF and Finesse? You're only replacing Finesse.

And yes, finesse is required to hit anything. But why bother with TWF (which results in minimal bonus attacks) and skip Imp TWF and Greater TWF? If you skip them, you're obviously not serious about meleeing, so why bother with the first two?

Replace TWF with just about anything. Replace Finesse with a +Save bonus feat.

The point is that there are really no other feats that compliment this build...at all...sure I COULD add a few more to my saves...but runnign around with a 30+ on everything and 370hp + evasion is sufficient for all content currently in game....only the traps in monestary on elite even pose a threat...and they do that to all characters except those with an even higher save + improved evasion.


As for why twf over anything else....well, there are a few places in the game where spells simply don't work to kill stuff...and since we are talking about solo play, if you have absolutely no melee option, these areas are no longer soloable...

And TWF actually adds a ton of dps to the linked build. I played it for nearly 3 months capped before I swapped out for twf and immediately noticed a huge difference. It went from almost no dps, to just enough to get by.

It really made the difference between being able to solo a lot of stuff in game to being able to solo nearly all of it (I'm confident that I can solo it all with enough practice but I have other characters I play too). Keep in mind that not only is this build able to solo almost all content in the game...it is able to do so with minimal resources used. Maybe a few heal scrolls and thats it.

[Gol]

In that case, it'd probably be better served dropping 1 Mental Toughness and the Weapon Focus for the other 2 TWF feats. Just my 2 copper.

[Anthios888]

In that case, it'd probably be better served dropping 1 Mental Toughness and the Weapon Focus for the other 2 TWF feats. Just my 2 copper.

/signed

Fitting in either some spell penetration or the two weapon fighting line would help give this build a role in the party instead of being below average at most tasks.

[Demoyn]

Edit: Nevermind.

[Demoyn]

halfling = dex based / finesse

I disagree.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Illisheel Quickfoot
Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(2 Monk \ 14 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 223
Spell Points: 951 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               3                     8
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         6                    22
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  3                     6
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  2                     5
Listen                3                     9
Move Silently         3                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  3                     7
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Fortitude)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Reflex)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck II (Reflex)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck III (Reflex)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Will)
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II

[Anthios888]

Re: Demon

No maximize, empower healing, or quicken? Why is this a cleric build? Why put level ups into wisdom on a 2wf khopesh build - the result is that to-hit is looking pretty low even after investing almost all feats into it.

[Gol]

I disagree.

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(snip)

Ok, fine, but don't sell that build as a cleric. You won't be able to heal while tanking (no quicken), you won't heal for much (no Emp Healing / Maximize / Empower), your Blade Barriers will be nigh useless, and you'll have SR problems on top of it.

That build is a TWF Khopesh user with a 1500 SP buffing pool and between-fight healing and substandard DPS.

[Demoyn]

I don't tank, I DPS. I healed a pug VoD last night that completed in 18 minutes, so I'll also have to disagree with my viability as a healer. I did actually switch out improved crit for empower healing after I got dual MinII khopeshes, though. I rarely use blade barriers (hence the melee damage).

It seems that a lot of people these days are set in their ways about what makes a good character. Most of those opinions are overkill in certain areas.

What this character REALLY is, is a fully capable healer that can add significant DPS to a fight without filling a DPS slot.

[Gol]

I don't tank, I DPS.

A clear distinction in WoW that is a fuzzy gray line in DDO at best.

[kinar]

/signed

Fitting in either some spell penetration or the two weapon fighting line would help give this build a role in the party instead of being below average at most tasks.

I'm curious...what the hell do you consider "most tasks"?....for a cleric

[Anthios888]

Sorry, I did not mean to stir up hostility. What I meant by the "most tasks" remark was the basic idea that characters can do a few things pretty well. For example, you can build even a healbot and still be very good at crowd control or throwing down some blade barriers, even if you totally forego melee. You can build a melee cleric with good damage spells and heals. By only going halfway on healing (low spell points, no empower healing, no quicken, no maximize), offensive casting (whether spell pen + DC based, or damage like blade barrier and cometfall), melee (not the primary stat, not finishing the feat chains), you're leaving a lot to be desired regardless of your goals.