Transmuting discussion

[brool]

Well, that would be a very gimped monk.

As you should know:

13+6 item+1tome=20

In short, not having 20 Str that means your character can't even select Power Attack.

Like I said, not every monk rolls with a 20 str. My monk has a 20 when its all said and done +2 tome, +6 item.

However, that being said I can point to monks that dont have a 20 str, that went completly dex based that are going to be completly left in the dust (yes more so than before).


And enough with this gimp thing.... Its not the character, its the player. A good player is going to win reguardless of rolling with a 6 str or a 18 str. He just wins differently.

[brool]

and personally, if I spent another 48 larges, it would be on another lighting2 kama

Then again thats personal preference.

[Gryphton]

Lightning II is cool. Yes, with the change I would go with that over Min II on normal settings. However I like raiding on elite settings and when that DR goes up the lightning goes down. I also don't like relying on that 1-2% for the styke to make it worth while. Love it on a bow with silverr arrows as it still bypasses DR, but if you are running shroud on elite without bypassing his DR you shouldn't be there.

[Borror0]

that being said I can point to monks that dont have a 20 str

As I said, those were gimped already.

And enough with this gimp thing.... Its not the character, its the player. A good player is going to win reguardless of rolling with a 6 str or a 18 str. He just wins differently.

Then why are you arguing that some will be "left in the dust"?

[brool]

Im not arguing anything. Im pointing out that they are ****ing a class up with this.

[Gryphton]

Brool don't mind him. He is a complete monk hater.
Let's not turn this thread into a monk use-full-ness argument like those other threads.

[brool]

oh im not, im just stating that monks are gonna feel most of the transmuting changes.

[Gryphton]

oh im not, im just stating that monks are gonna feel most of the transmuting changes.

I agree with you as I believe most people do! The whole thing sucks, but now that monks can't even use a decent transmuter to bypass the DR it's just gone from bad to absurd!

[Desteria]

TRasmuting Changes MY concerns....

MY concerns stem Not from the change, I actuly fell IT is more in line with PnP and that part I like...

HOWEVER my concern is that DDO's old transmuting made up for a lack or oversite DDO had with not implementing the FULL range of core PnP weapon option, lack of certen weapon types, (B/S/P), for certen fighting styles, or classes.

Specific Examples of GREAT concern:
-Monks HAVE NO Pirce option that do not uncenter them, and thus have no way to over come Pirce DR, in PnP sorce they have Sighams for this.
-Two Hand Fighters have NO Pirce options at all, in PnP they have LOTS, lance, halbred, Spear, long spear, etc, (+ the option to use 1 handed weapons in 2 hands).

Both of these cause a big problem since mainy higher level spiders have Pirce DR, and Rakshasas(sp), have VERY HIGH pirce DR , (15!).

These 2 are my BIG concerns But also of lessor concern IS:
-Monks have no one handed Finessible BLUNT weapon options, PnP sorce would have Sai, or Nunchuks(sp).




MY Request/PLEA is that Transmuting Retain it's weapon Type, (Blungoning, pirce, slash), bypassing ability untill such time as weapon types for all fighting styles/classes are implemented.


I feel that DnD is a GREAT game and every PnP character I've ever had always carried weapons to deal with every concivable DR, heck even my wizzards did lol and they never used them!

Thank-You

[Murderface]

TRasmuting Changes MY concerns....

MY concerns stem Not from the change, I actuly fell IT is more in line with PnP and that part I like...

HOWEVER my concern is that DDO's old transmuting made up for a lack or oversite DDO had with not implementing the FULL range of core PnP weapon option, lack of certen weapon types, (B/S/P), for certen fighting styles, or classes.

Specific Examples of GREAT concern:
-Monks HAVE NO Pirce option that do not uncenter them, and thus have no way to over come Pirce DR, in PnP sorce they have Sighams for this.
-Two Hand Fighters have NO Pirce options at all, in PnP they have LOTS, lance, halbred, Spear, long spear, etc, (+ the option to use 1 handed weapons in 2 hands).

Both of these cause a big problem since mainy higher level spiders have Pirce DR, and Rakshasas(sp), have VERY HIGH pirce DR , (15!).

These 2 are my BIG concerns But also of lessor concern IS:
-Monks have no one handed Finessible BLUNT weapon options, PnP sorce would have Sai, or Nunchuks(sp).




MY Request/PLEA is that Transmuting Retain it's weapon Type, (Blungoning, pirce, slash), bypassing ability untill such time as weapon types for all fighting styles/classes are implemented.


I feel that DnD is a GREAT game and every PnP character I've ever had always carried weapons to deal with every concivable DR, heck even my wizzards did lol and they never used them!

Thank-You

i feel the same way about my fighter not for the same reasons but im and will be specd for slash and if it ends up me having to grab a maul for lich types or a piercer for something reasonably harder then the average trash mob ill kind of be a bit disapointed losing all my damage, cant we just get a special enhancement on weapons that would include some blunt or piercing damage for dr bypassing effect

[Gunga]

As I said, those were gimped already.

Then why are you arguing that some will be "left in the dust"?

I'm not sure if you're completely up to date on this.

There are some pretty good monks around; It takes great players, but they do exist.

[Borror0]

Im not arguing anything. Im pointing out that they are ****ing a class up with this.

If there is no such thing as gimp, then there is no such thing as being left in the dust either.

There are some pretty good monks around; It takes great players, but they do exist.

I was not saying that monks sucked but rather that a monk who can't achieve at least 20 Str by cap was gimped in the first place.

[bobbryan2]

I think a cleric spell 'align weapon' would pretty much negate any misgivings I have about this change.

If we had some way to bless our transmuters (even if it was expensive), I'd adapt... it's not biggie.

I'd adapt anyway, but harbor just a little more misgivings about the situation.

It's not too late to cook up 3-4 alignment recipes for the stone of change!!!!

Go code!

[bobbryan2]

And that's another good point...

How the hell are monks supposed to bypass Raksasha DR when they don't have any piercing weapons?

[Angelus_dead]

And that's another good point...
How the hell are monks supposed to bypass Raksasha DR when they don't have any piercing weapons?

1. Raksasha's aren't a common monster.
2. Raksasha's aren't an important monster.
3. Raksasha's don't have a lot of DR.
4. Wield a dagger.

[Desteria]

1. Raksasha's aren't a common monster.
2. Raksasha's aren't an important monster.
3. Raksasha's don't have a lot of DR.
4. Wield a dagger.

1- True but they are nasty where they are.

2- why arn't they important, all monsters are important.

3- DR 15 isent a LOT actuly I belive it's the higest DR around on normal setting, assumign the scale the same as harry it;s tied for the higest DR possible.

4. Daggers UNCENTER you, DDO has made it increasignly important MUCH more so then PnP for monks to use monk weapons, yet provided NO pircing option and NO 1 hand blunt weapons, transmuting Kama's used to beable to make up for this lack of implemented weapons.

[bobbryan2]

1. Raksasha's aren't a common monster.
2. Raksasha's aren't an important monster.
3. Raksasha's don't have a lot of DR.
4. Wield a dagger.

No.. Raksasha's aren't a huge deal. And if they were the only DR/piercing creature in the game, that would be more of a point. Ancient spiders and wheeps also have unbypassable DR for monks.

No.. they're not that important. That doesn't mean it's ok to leave monks without avenues of bypassing DR.

They have enough DR..

And they may as well not be proficient with daggers. A 20th monk loses 5 to hit when using a dagger, a bigger loss than a rogue using a greataxe.

To be clear though, this isn't so much a problem with transmuting as it is with improperly giving monks insufficient weapons. The transmuting change merely accentuates a mistake made a year ago.

[Accelerando]

oh im not, im just stating that monks are gonna feel most of the transmuting changes.

But are also getting alot of benefit out of the WoP changes in terms of grouping desirability.

[Angelus_dead]

But are also getting alot of benefit out of the WoP changes in terms of grouping desirability.

Yes. For those who didn't figure this out:
There is no monk weapon that can have Puncturing on it, but they can have Weakening of Enfeebling. Now that str damage will have similar or better effectiveness than con damage, characters previously unable to use Puncturing are a little better off.

That includes both monks and THF warriors.