My OPINION

[oogly54]

Is it coincidental that those that are taking the most offense to such a post are those who post most regularly?

[oogly54]

Which part of "at which it stops being an opinion" can't you understand?

"I think longswords are better because they do more damage than any other weapon" is an opinion, but is wrong.

What part of the definition of opinion don't you understand?

No, it is wrong and never was an opinion, it was a false statment.

[oogly54]

I'm sorry... you're wrong. You made the entire post saying people came off as jerks when they didn't hedge their opinions... and apparantly you don't know what an opinion is.

I never said they need to hedge there opinions, just stop telling people there opinions are wrong and your opinions are right.

[Borror0]

No, it is wrong and never was an opinion, it was a false statment.

Oh, so where is the line between the two?

[oogly54]

Oh, so where is the line between the two?

It is not a line, a false statement can be proven fa;lse and opinion can not because it is ones own fellings on a subject. The definition of an opinion is that it can not be proven true or false. Maybe that is where you and other may be having trouble.

[Aranticus]

What part of the definition of opinion don't you understand?

No, it is wrong and never was an opinion, it was a false statment.

An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something which it is either impossible to verify the truth of, or the truth of which is thought unimportant to the person. It is an assertion about something especially if that something lies in the future and its truth or falsity cannot be directly established e.g. induction. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

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[Angelus_dead]

What part of the definition of opinion don't you understand?

You are the one who doesn't use the same definition of "an opinion" as English-language speakers.

No, it is wrong and never was an opinion, it was a false statment.

That's a false dichotomy: an opinion might be either a true or false statement. (And, opinions don't even have to be statements at all)

In the English language, the word "opinion" means a belief for which sufficient evidence is unavailable. It doesn't have anything to do with whether the evidence exists somewhere, or if the belief is ultimately right or wrong; just that the evidence isn't here right now.

For example, "In my opinion I'm taller than you". Do you think it's impossible or meaningless for someone to have an opinion like that? Do you see that testing could eventually prove the veracity of the claim?

What if 6 months ago, you'd gone around collecting opinions about who would win the US election? By today it would be clear that some of them were right and some were wrong.

[oogly54]

How about you give us an example of a post where your opinion has been called wrong and it wasn't justified?

Who said this had anything to do with my posts? I have read many people do this to many other people. Just because your ideas are different from someone elses doesnt make your right and theres wrong.

[bobbryan2]

It is not a line, a false statement can be proven fa;lse and opinion can not because it is ones own fellings on a subject. The definition of an opinion is that it can not be proven true or false. Maybe that is where you and other may be having trouble.

Good. Fine.

You have made several false statements in this thread.

Is it acceptable to say WRONG now?

[Borror0]

The definition of an opinion is that it can not be proven true or false. Maybe that is where you and other may be having trouble.

Give us an example of an opinion that has been called false on these forums. Might give us a better idea of what you are talking.

Right now, I could be agreeing or disagreeing with you. Your position is unclear.

[kaidendager]

o⋅pin⋅ion   /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

claim (klām) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. claimed, claim·ing, claims

To state to be true, especially when open to question; assert or maintain:

A statement of something as a fact; an assertion of truth:

Saying "I like Khopeshes" is an opinion and unfalsifiable. Saying "The Khopesh is the strongest weapon in DDO" is a claim and subject to falsifiability.

[oogly54]

This post has nothing to do with the definition of an opinion. It has to do with belittling someone else's opinion when it differes from your own. Get a life, something other than being Mr. Cool poster on the DDO forums. Is your biggest claim to fame your abilty to argue on a open forum that you will spend hundreds of hours doing so?

[Aranticus]

It is not a line, a false statement can be proven fa;lse and opinion can not because it is ones own fellings on a subject. The definition of an opinion is that it can not be proven true or false. Maybe that is where you and other may be having trouble.

wrong you are the one who is confused. my first reply defined that for you. in the khopesh arguement, one can easily use mathematical expressions to calculated if the khopesh is better or the longsword is better. it doesnt matter if either one is better, 1 will be better and there will be an answer to the "opinion"

in the 2nd argument, it is a feeling. range combat suck can easily be translated by people into "i hate ranged combat". no one can prove you dun hate it or you hate it

[Angelus_dead]

Saying "I like Khopeshes" is an opinion and unfalsifiable. Saying "The Khopesh is the strongest weapon in DDO" is a claim and subject to falsifiability.

No: falsifiability is not not part of the definition of an "opinion".

You are confusing the unavailability of evidence with nonexistence of evidence.

If you and I are driving to the store and we get lost, I can give my opinion that we should turn left. It is falsifiable, and we'll learn if it was correct after driving a bit more, but it was still an opinion because the evidence available was insufficient to prove it.

[Borror0]

This post has nothing to do with the definition of an opinion.

If I was to make a post explaining the dangers of say, importance of balance in RPG, would it be important for me to take the time to define the term balance?

It would be, otherwise we could all different definition of what "balance" means. Defining your concepts is extremely important.

[bobbryan2]

This post has nothing to do with the definition of an opinion. It has to do with belittling someone else's opinion when it differes from your own. Get a life, something other than being Mr. Cool poster on the DDO forums. Is your biggest claim to fame your abilty to argue on a open forum that you will spend hundreds of hours doing so?

It has everything to do with the definition of an opinion.

If something IS wrong, there is nothing wrong with SAYING it's wrong.

[oogly54]

It has everything to do with the definition of an opinion.

If something IS wrong, there is nothing wrong with SAYING it's wrong.

And I am not disputing saying someone is wrong when they are, but when it is just there opinion there is something wrong with doing that.

The masters of diverting the issue.

[EKKM]

Wow, this thread is among the most ironic things I have ever read - in my opinion of course

If some people can't understand the intent of the original post and feel the need to argue semantics just let them Oogly.

[oogly54]

If I was to make a post explaining the dangers of say, importance of balance in RPG, would it be important for me to take the time to define the term balance?

It would be, otherwise we could all different definition of what "balance" means. Defining your concepts is extremely important.

But someone telling you, you are flat out wrong for wanting balance is where I have a problem. Some people think balance is needed, some do not. They are different games and may have different levels of success, but neither are wrong. I happen to agree with your quest for balance, but that does not make me right.

[bobbryan2]

And I am not disputing saying someone is wrong when they are, but when it is just there opinion there is something wrong with doing that.

The masters of diverting the issue.

Look... if you want me to agree that it sometimes comes off as overly aggressive and jerky to blatantly say someone is wrong... then I'll agree with you. It doesn't stop me from doing it, but I acknowledge that it's a tad aggressive.

But you're missing the point. MOST of the time someone comes and flatout says someone is wrong is on objective subjects.

Please give us specific examples if you're seeing something we're not.