Vicious Effect and DR

[Roman]

I was messng around with a vicious weapon today and noticed it bypasses barbarian DR. Is this intended? I have Dr/- 7 and the most damage this weapon could do is 1D6, so from the combat line below it appears it completly ignores barbarian DR which I thought blocked everything.

(Combat): You suffer 6 points of damage from Weapon's Vicious Effect on self.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Everything but viscious...

Why?

Dunno...

[Amaras]

vicious will bypass all dr, even your own, thus the description

[TehSilence]

I always thought it was a magical effect, not like it is actually striking you. DR only blocks physical strikes, yes?

It would be interesting to see if the invulnerability robes/armor (dr against magic) would affect it.

-Silence

[Drekisen]

I always thought it was a magical effect, not like it is actually striking you. DR only blocks physical strikes, yes?

It would be interesting to see if the invulnerability robes/armor (dr against magic) would affect it.

-Silence

That is one of the DR's a barbarian has already. Wouldn't change anything.

[salmag]

That is one of the DR's a barbarian has already. Wouldn't change anything.

DR/magic is damage against all types except magic, I believe.

[Angelus_dead]

I was messng around with a vicious weapon today and noticed it bypasses barbarian DR. Is this intended? I have Dr/- 7 and the most damage this weapon could do is 1D6, so from the combat line below it appears it completly ignores barbarian DR which I thought blocked everything.

Does your barbarian DR block fireballs?
Magic Missiles?
Shocking Burst?
Poison?
Disintegrate?
Dwarf-bane?
Pure Evil?

[Kromize]

I was messng around with a vicious weapon today and noticed it bypasses barbarian DR. Is this intended? I have Dr/- 7 and the most damage this weapon could do is 1D6, so from the combat line below it appears it completly ignores barbarian DR which I thought blocked everything.

(Combat): You suffer 6 points of damage from Weapon's Vicious Effect on self.

That's just how vicious it is. :/

[DeadlyGazebo]

I was messng around with a vicious weapon today and noticed it bypasses barbarian DR. Is this intended? I have Dr/- 7 and the most damage this weapon could do is 1D6, so from the combat line below it appears it completly ignores barbarian DR which I thought blocked everything.

(Combat): You suffer 6 points of damage from Weapon's Vicious Effect on self.

DR stops physical attacks (bad guys with swords) but not magical ones (fireballs, and also "flaming" procs on swords).

Vicious is considered a magical effect, and thus bypasses DR. It's also not an elemental effect, so it bypasses all of the "Protection from..." and "Resistance to..." things that can block many damaging magical attacks.

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

[GreyRogue]

DR stops physical attacks (bad guys with swords) but not magical ones (fireballs, and also "flaming" procs on swords).

Vicious is considered a magical effect, and thus bypasses DR. It's also not an elemental effect, so it bypasses all of the "Protection from..." and "Resistance to..." things that can block many damaging magical attacks.

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

I'm glad we're all on the same page about the usefulness of vicious weapons, but is this a dev admission that they are there solely to dilute the loot tables, then?

[creithne]

DR stops physical attacks (bad guys with swords) but not magical ones (fireballs, and also "flaming" procs on swords).

Vicious is considered a magical effect, and thus bypasses DR. It's also not an elemental effect, so it bypasses all of the "Protection from..." and "Resistance to..." things that can block many damaging magical attacks.

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

So...if we have a dev coming and telling us that vicious weapons are mostly useless, doesn't that pretty much beg the question, "Why are they in the game in the first place then?"

[Laith]

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

glad to hear you admit that

[Dracolich]

DR stops physical attacks (bad guys with swords) but not magical ones (fireballs, and also "flaming" procs on swords).

Vicious is considered a magical effect, and thus bypasses DR. It's also not an elemental effect, so it bypasses all of the "Protection from..." and "Resistance to..." things that can block many damaging magical attacks.

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

Aha!! why in the description of the fix on the vicious handwrap update notes did it say something to the effect of having razor blades inside the handwraps? Must be them there magical razor blades . I am just messing but Viscious is supposed to bypas your DR you greedy barbarian. Teach you to use aloe vera lotion on your hands to keep them soft.

[ArkoHighStar]

DR stops physical attacks (bad guys with swords) but not magical ones (fireballs, and also "flaming" procs on swords).

Vicious is considered a magical effect, and thus bypasses DR. It's also not an elemental effect, so it bypasses all of the "Protection from..." and "Resistance to..." things that can block many damaging magical attacks.

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

what about invunerability dr 5/magic?

[GreyRogue]

what about invunerability dr 5/magic?

That is damage reduction that is bypassed by any magic attack, even a lowly +1 dagger.

[Qzipoun]

what about invunerability dr 5/magic?

DR 5/magic means it is specifically bypassed by magic.

[Laith]

That is damage reduction that is bypassed by any magic weapon, even a lowly +1 dagger.

fixed.

[ArkoHighStar]

That is damage reduction that is bypassed by any magic attack, even a lowly +1 dagger.

given its description all magical damage should be reduced by 5 points

[Laith]

given its description all magical damage should be reduced by 5 points

you are completely mistaken on what the text in Damage Reduction entries means.

the words listed are what is required to IGNORE or BYPASS that entry of DR, not what is blocked by that DR entry.

"magic" in reference to a DR entry refers to any weapon with an Enhancement Bonus of +1 or better (Enhancement Bonuses on weapons add + damage and + to hit).

note: in strict D&D rules, every magic weapon must have at least a +1 Enhancement Bonus before other effects (flaming, vorpal, etc) can be added, thus every magic weapon bypasses "#/magic" DR.

[Angelus_dead]

This does have the downside of making vicious weapons mostly useless, as the number of circumstances in which you are willing to take the extra d6 of damage to do extra damage to your foe is vanishingly small, especially given the number of alternative damage-increasing-effects that your weapon could have.

To fix this, you should follow the pattern established by Power Word Stun, and reduce the self-damage to 1/3rd when used in a PVE context, leaving it at the full 1d6 for PVP.